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Just when you thought it was safe

Yep, and I drank the ruddy things because I thought they were healthy......
 
they also still don´t know if the ones that choose diet drink already has a lot of conditions and therefor that reason to drink the ****.. but well it makes me worry too.... the only sweet joy I had left almost is pepsi max

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Never thought much of any of the various gassy overblown over hyped chemical brews that are colas. Doesn't surprise me that any of the **** is no good for anybody.
 
I didn't have any health problems when I started drinking diet drinks. I just didn't want to get fat.......
 
Yet another scare story!
Don't forget it's the daily mail!

The way I look at it, is, when they publish that potatoes and white bread and cereals are more dangerous than fizzy carbonated drinks, I will take notice!
 
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The researchers are still not sure whether diet drinks are causing strokes or dementia – or whether those who consume them are at higher risk anyway.
Previous studies have shown they tend to be consumed by adults who are already overweight or obese.

Same old story. I don't drink diet drinks at all. I have never been one for Coke or Pepsi or whatever, but I do have saccharine in my tea and coffee and have done for 30 odd years.
 
So are they saying through lifestyle choices we get dementia? Anothing thing to be accused of braking the nhs's back and will be looked apon as self inflicted?
 
A lot of media outlets have picked up on this, it's a good distraction from proper news. Any school kid could tell you that some people will get problems from different foods at various levels. Mrs Typin is lactose intolerant, I am not. I am glucose intolerant, she is not. Some people can drink sugary drinks til the cows come home, and it will have no effect on them. The very smell of colas makes me feel ill.
 
This study and the way it has been reported is analysed by NHS news here:- http://www.nhs.uk/news/2017/04April...t-drinks-and-dementia-and-stroke-is-weak.aspx

The comments about the reporting include:-

The Guardian gave a good overview of the research while making clear that no cause and effect had been proven.

The Daily Mail's headline – "Diet drinks TRIPLE your risk of stroke and dementia" – is somewhat misleading as it is based on unadjusted data. Though the authors themselves included this information in the abstract of the study.

Several independent experts in the field have also advised caution in taking the results of this research as being conclusive, until further research is conducted. ​

This is a summary of the main points of the analysis:-

Overall, when taking account of all health and lifestyle factors that could have an influence (confounders), the researchers actually found no link between artificially sweetened drinks and risk of dementia.

The figures reported in the media came from a model that wasn't adjusted for all confounders, such as diabetes, that could explain part of the link.

For stroke the links with artificially sweetened drinks were inconsistent. There were no overall links when looking at longer term patterns.

The study does not give definitive "cause and effect" proof that drinking artificially sweetened drinks will lead to stroke or dementia. Still, the lead author's reported statement that it is healthier (not to mention cheaper) to just drink water is sound advice.
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It wont bother me in the slightest then as I only drink green tea, water and the occasional black coffee. I doubt if I drink more than 10 cans of diet drinks a year at most. <smug smiley>

My downfall is red wine and whiskey but Ive cut that right down to just a couple of glasses of wine and a glass of scotch on Friday and Saturday nights and thats even helped me lose the few pounds I put on over the winter months as per usual :)


On a slightly more serious note, isn't it better not to eat and drink highly processed things such as fizzy drinks anyway, water is more refreshing and much much better for you whatever this resent research shows, no one has ever said that diet drinks are good for you have they?.
 
Sid Bonkers said:
On a slightly more serious note, isn't it better not to eat and drink highly processed things such as fizzy drinks anyway, water is more refreshing and much much better for you whatever this resent research shows, no one has ever said that diet drinks are good for you have they?.
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Good point. When making food choices, I find it useful to ask, "Will it do me any harm? Will it do me any good?"
 
Dark Horse said:
This study and the way it has been reported is analysed by NHS news here:- http://www.nhs.uk/news/2017/04April...t-drinks-and-dementia-and-stroke-is-weak.aspx

The comments about the reporting include:-

The Guardian gave a good overview of the research while making clear that no cause and effect had been proven.

The Daily Mail's headline – "Diet drinks TRIPLE your risk of stroke and dementia" – is somewhat misleading as it is based on unadjusted data. Though the authors themselves included this information in the abstract of the study.

Several independent experts in the field have also advised caution in taking the results of this research as being conclusive, until further research is conducted. ​

This is a summary of the main points of the analysis:-

Overall, when taking account of all health and lifestyle factors that could have an influence (confounders), the researchers actually found no link between artificially sweetened drinks and risk of dementia.

The figures reported in the media came from a model that wasn't adjusted for all confounders, such as diabetes, that could explain part of the link.

For stroke the links with artificially sweetened drinks were inconsistent. There were no overall links when looking at longer term patterns.

The study does not give definitive "cause and effect" proof that drinking artificially sweetened drinks will lead to stroke or dementia. Still, the lead author's reported statement that it is healthier (not to mention cheaper) to just drink water is sound advice.
​
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My 92yr old grandmother drank a can of diet fizzy drink everyday in her nursing home and didn't suffer with dementia or stroke. Her heart failed her after suffering angina for decades.
 
Squire Fulwood said:
So is this a case of non research or in other words, what was the point?​
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The point of research is to try and increase knowledge. It would be wrong to only do studies where people are pretty certain of what the results would be.

There is a big problem in science that journals tend to want to publish only positive results which means that if something is found to have no effect, we don't tend to hear about it. So, if 9 out of 10 studies show no effect and are not published but the 1 out of 10 studies that does show an effect IS published, it gives us the impression that there is a positive effect when actually it's much more likely that there isn't. I think it's really important that journals publish well-designed studies even if the results are not very exciting.
 
ickihun said:
My 92yr old grandmother drank a can of diet fizzy drink everyday in her nursing home and didn't suffer with dementia or stroke. Her heart failed her after suffering angina for decades.
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Unfortunately, the only conclusion we can draw from that is that not everyone who drinks diet cola etc dies from stroke or gets dementia. Even the Daily Mail wasn't claiming that - they claimed that the risk was increased. If the risk was increased from 2 in 100 to 4 in 100, for example, the risk might have doubled (assuming we have the same types of people in each group) but the vast majority would still be unaffected.
 
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