Insulin resistance, fatty liver, alcohol - and the hole in my bucket.

[Kristin251]

No evidence now for cancer, just 2 diff ops to be done. Not cancer related and one before christmas for tidy up on 1st mx. So good news, but I am acutely aware of keeping my whole body happy, not just my diabetes.. more so now although being lean all my life didnt help as it meant boob wise the cancer went to 0.1ml of my chest wall.... if I'd had more boobs it wouldnt have gone so close-lol. Go to fantastic talks from a really top UK Oncologist now as well. Amazing how insulin resistance is now being linked to this awful disease as well.

Going to buy some avocado tomorrow and use as a bridge now... good idea..

No eating at 4am.. if I insulatard it keeps me good for the 5 unit rise I get without it before 8am. It then kicks in nicely for 4 hours when I also need a bolus as well. Just trying now to sort out when I do morning walks with my Daisy dog as these are spur of moment and these will knock me down. Other days mornings ok. Get rises currently at 4pm and from 9pm with and without eating. Have tried tresiba at night and mirnings, no difference. Dont like having two basals but not much choice as none of them work singularly with dawn/waking phen....if I add eating in 1st thing in morning its horrendous for highs.

Not laughing but laughing. When my boobs shrink I'm losing fat. Not just water weight.

I'm Trying something tonight. I put 1/2 oz Mac nuts in the bathroom. Will eat between 4:30-6:30 or whenever I wake then. That's when the rise st arts. I'll see if fat heads it off. I was 85 then popped way up. Trying to head off cortisol. I'll let you know. I'd rather eat nuts than bolus !!! Cortiosl is worst when out of fuel so going to tontry fueling up before cortisol kicks in. I'll keep you posted if it works.

It will also be interaestimg if bridging the gap with avocado works for you.

I'm not familiar with insulinatard. Sorry the pump didn't work. Always challenges. But here we are. Doing the best we can and still kicking.

 

[DavidGrahamJones]

So if the enjoyment of being that different is over riable by some sort if enjoyment of being different-I do not understand it..

Sorry, couldn't work out "riable"

Different . . . . . . and the pleasure of saying "I don't need to drink alcohol to get enjoyment". Bit smug maybe, but one has to blow one's trumpet doesn't one. Don't take anything I say too seriously, it's often "tongue in cheek". No hidden agenda or anything. I'm also very pleased to be able to say that I don't eat cake, biscuits, and decidedly dislike chocolate, usually.

When my liver function deterioration was first mentioned by my GP, I had a very lengthy and honest discussion about alcohol consumption. He might have been being kind but said that I wasn't an alcoholic, seems I didn't tick all the boxes, but I was taking social drinking to the max. We also had a lengthy discussion about livers and how they metabolise what we consume and as a result I decided to give my liver a helping hand by giving up alcohol. To make that job easier I had to convince myself that I was doing right by finding enjoyment in my actions.

One of the things I noticed very early on was that if having dinner out with my wife and maybe her mother, when the wine waiter came to take an order they both seemed to take great pleasure in saying "He doesn't drink" as if it was my fault that they weren't buying a bottle, just a glass. So maybe my enjoyment in being different comes from annoying my MIL LOLOLOL

Apologies for prattling on, remember tongue in cheek.

Have a wonderful day

 

[Sweet_Sophie]

It's refreshing and helping me stay strong when I read your posts. Tx you. At the back of my mind as for drinks I keep mine for special occasion and is this really special or just a social drink. It helps me make my choices but then I very little drink anyway.

 

[Kristin251]

No evidence now for cancer, just 2 diff ops to be done. Not cancer related and one before christmas for tidy up on 1st mx. So good news, but I am acutely aware of keeping my whole body happy, not just my diabetes.. more so now although being lean all my life didnt help as it meant boob wise the cancer went to 0.1ml of my chest wall.... if I'd had more boobs it wouldnt have gone so close-lol. Go to fantastic talks from a really top UK Oncologist now as well. Amazing how insulin resistance is now being linked to this awful disease as well.

Going to buy some avocado tomorrow and use as a bridge now... good idea..

No eating at 4am.. if I insulatard it keeps me good for the 5 unit rise I get without it before 8am. It then kicks in nicely for 4 hours when I also need a bolus as well. Just trying now to sort out when I do morning walks with my Daisy dog as these are spur of moment and these will knock me down. Other days mornings ok. Get rises currently at 4pm and from 9pm with and without eating. Have tried tresiba at night and mirnings, no difference. Dont like having two basals but not much choice as none of them work singularly with dawn/waking phen....if I add eating in 1st thing in morning its horrendous for highs.

Hi @donnellysdogs ,

Just an update. Went to bed at 80. 10 pm took two units of lantus and a bite of avocado ( to stop the drop). 6:30 95. Ate a few Macs to see if that would stop the rise. Stupid. Didn't work. So as assumed my rise starts around 4:30. Fasting 137!!!
Two things I'm thinking.

1) could be from two glasses of wine ( on the larger size) taking me above my 20 carbs or less per day and taking me out of ketosis.

2) if it's not the wine then I'm going to do what you do and take a small bolus after 4:30. Hopefully to stop the rise. I tend to need the loo sometime after 4:30. Not sure I'm willing to set an alarm yet.

When I tried fasting just to see when my insulin started lowering me I found it just didn't lower me until I ate. However, I didn't go higher so it might just stop the rise until I get up and eat.


Thoughts ???

I'm thinking it's the wine taking me out of ketosis. Just like over eating protein causes higher fastings the next day

Let me know if avocado does the bridge for you!

 

[Bluetit1802]

@Kristin251 What sort of wine was it? Red is almost zero carb. 2 large glasses won't be more than 2g. and will keep your liver busy enough not to produce any glucose. I can't see the wine causing it. I have found that fat on its own stops the rise. (double cream in my case)

 

[Kristin251]

@Kristin251 What sort of wine was it? Red is almost zero carb. 2 large glasses won't be more than 2g. and will keep your liver busy enough not to produce any glucose. I can't see the wine causing it. I have found that fat on its own stops the rise. (double cream in my case)

I used to drink red but it started bothering me ( acidic stomach and hangover) so I switched to vodka. No fasting problems. I NEVER drank white but found a lovely Chardonnay. I bolus for it and eat a little cheese to slow the carbs.
I have always eaten less than 20 carbs per day to stay in ketosis. I know this is putting me well over those so thinking it's kicking me out of ketosis. Bs stays good until 4 am and then rockets. I THINK this started when I started white wine.

I wish badly I could do double cream in my coffee. That would be heaven.

 

[donnellysdogs]

Oh gosh, oops for your fasting rise!!

Got avocado today. Cant try tomorrow as got hospital and evthing always get messed up going to appts... so will try friday.

Its so difficult deciding which of two choices. Wine does definitely lower me but it's still only to 4am, then it shoots up just as bad. I have my bolus for actually getting out of bed. I have insulatard long acting at 4am. Its not so powerful two hours after the jab as it is with a bolus. If I have bolus it knocks me down by 6am.
So long as a bolus not knock you down hypo and you not go higher ... but it is so horrible waking each morning at 4am!!

I currentlt with increasing tresiba have lowered my insulatard down to 11/2 units and tomorrow down to 1 unit but my mirnings are different again as I'm now walking Daisy dog in mornings with hubby so this walk is lowering me.
Tomorrow going to hospital and me not walking Daisy and it will all get messed up again!!

I'm also going to find things odd as my hubby just once a week will do an early shift.. so this is really going to throw spanner in works for me. I dont know whether to get up with him at 4.30am or to still lie in.. whatever I do, I know my body will react to his getting up early and kicking my bodies reactions worse. On pump I had to have an AM and PM basal rates for his shifts and one day only is going to be hard to handle.. however it does mean he can come to dog training on a different night, so there are benefits or change day off as well to suit my next operation days.... just got to find out how best to handle all over again on mdi though.

Also, it depends whether like for the wine is satisfying and therefore you may not want to change that??

Me, I try not to be in ketosis and rarely, rarely test to see. Iif I am as I was so thin that I have managed to put 2stone on thankfully and am now happy at size UK 8-10. Ketosis and. i will start losing all over again!! Knowing lean people dont tolerate cancer as well as 'normal" people with some fat I need to keep my current weight.

 

[Kristin251]

Oh gosh, oops for your fasting rise!!

Got avocado today. Cant try tomorrow as got hospital and evthing always get messed up going to appts... so will try friday.

Its so difficult deciding which of two choices. Wine does definitely lower me but it's still only to 4am, then it shoots up just as bad. I have my bolus for actually getting out of bed. I have insulatard long acting at 4am. Its not so powerful two hours after the jab as it is with a bolus. If I have bolus it knocks me down by 6am.
So long as a bolus not knock you down hypo and you not go higher ... but it is so horrible waking each morning at 4am!!

I currentlt with increasing tresiba have lowered my insulatard down to 11/2 units and tomorrow down to 1 unit but my mirnings are different again as I'm now walking Daisy dog in mornings with hubby so this walk is lowering me.
Tomorrow going to hospital and me not walking Daisy and it will all get messed up again!!

I'm also going to find things odd as my hubby just once a week will do an early shift.. so this is really going to throw spanner in works for me. I dont know whether to get up with him at 4.30am or to still lie in.. whatever I do, I know my body will react to his getting up early and kicking my bodies reactions worse. On pump I had to have an AM and PM basal rates for his shifts and one day only is going to be hard to handle.. however it does mean he can come to dog training on a different night, so there are benefits or change day off as well to suit my next operation days.... just got to find out how best to handle all over again on mdi though.

Also, it depends whether like for the wine is satisfying and therefore you may not want to change that??

Me, I try not to be in ketosis and rarely, rarely test to see. Iif I am as I was so thin that I have managed to put 2stone on thankfully and am now happy at size UK 8-10. Ketosis and. i will start losing all over again!! Knowing lean people dont tolerate cancer as well as 'normal" people with some fat I need to keep my current weight.

I do completely enjoy this wine. It's called Butter ( haha. I love real butter too) and Chardonnay. I might finish the bottle Andy then decide. It's so refreshing in the warm season. I think I'll try the morning bolus. I don't think I'll drop, just hopefully stop/ slow the rise. Not looking forward to the jab but might make it worth it for the wine.

Isn't it ridiculous how a schedule change means everything else changes?

At least my new breakfast worked beautifully. It's a nice change. It was my usual before avocado. I'm still eating it at all my other meals. Today I had a piece of Bibb/ Boston lettuce with a big plop of mayo, some mustard, sliced mushroom and a thin slice of turkey. Refreshing.

I hope your tests come out really well and the schedule change doesn't rock your boat too much!!! I'll be thinking of you!

 

[donnellysdogs]

Awwww your lettuce and filling-absolute yum. I miss having lettuce wraps!!

I had best results for 12 months today!!! Yaay, not doing the minute tresiba and large insulatard that hosp wanted. Changed over last couple weeks and finally besides the 4am jab waling had a marked steady night!! And getting up. Rose a little but the full increased dose of tresiba from Tuesday not quite fully in me.

I think to be honest I would now be loatheto give up something like wine if I enjoyed it as a nightly glass. Given up a lot and we do still have to live.

 

[Kristin251]

Awwww your lettuce and filling-absolute yum. I miss having lettuce wraps!!

I had best results for 12 months today!!! Yaay, not doing the minute tresiba and large insulatard that hosp wanted. Changed over last couple weeks and finally besides the 4am jab waling had a marked steady night!! And getting up. Rose a little but the full increased dose of tresiba from Tuesday not quite fully in me.

I think to be honest I would now be loatheto give up something like wine if I enjoyed it as a nightly glass. Given up a lot and we do still have to live.

EXCELLENT NEWS!!! VERY happy for you!

Well I was going to do the nightly jab and test often to see when I start the rise. Went to bed at 78. 2 units lantus, scoop a avocado. Woke up at 4:30 at 82. Could t go back to sleep so tested 5:15. 81. Still afraid to jab without more info so had the plan my hubby was going to wake me up at 6 when he got up. Guess what? HE FORGOT!!! Thanks pal. So I heard him leave at 6:25 and tested. 98 so took half unit. Went back to bed and too irritated with him so I just got up and will be off schedule all day now. Not to mention irritation first thing in the morning. Still testing new bf too. So now my data will have little to no value. I'll see how long it takes him to remember that he forgot.

On a better note, I made delicious ultra creamy mayo yesterday for my lettuce wrap bf. Enjoying now as I type. I used to always make it but them I think the raw egg became a bit of an intolerant. I can't eat lettuce all day long but a small wrap for bf and a few forkfuls with dinner is ok. I put some kale and broccoli micro greens, vit D drops and dulled flakes on it so now I have my morning vitamins haha.

Needless to say ( after hubby screw up) I'm not giving up my wine tonight. I still have some left and I also have another bottle chilling I've been dying to try

Hope your schedule change doesn't wreck your day!!

Again @donnellysdogs great news!! You deserve it.

 

[LittleGreyCat]

Nearly ten years for me. Admittedly prescription drugs messing with my liver helped make the decision. I think I successfully convinced myself I didn't need it, definitely mind over matter. LOL

One side effect was that I thought I'd put my brains in a washing machine, very strange vacant feeling. Bank balance is a lot better as well, I could actually afford a hobby, something I'd been interested in but couldn't afford. All the best.

I worked my way back through the thread to find this comment.

Very insightful.

I had a similar blank feeling for the first few days.
I put it down to taking something out of your daily routine.
If you are used to, say, having a glass of wine whilst you are cooking the evening meal and may be a bit more with the meal to relax you for the evening then when you stop there is something missing.
Similar to cutting down on food.
The reflex action to go to the fridge for a drink or a snack is then halted because you have changed your ways and leaves a sort of blank "Oh. What do I do instead?" feeling.

Thankfully this seems to wear off after a week but there does seem to be a conditioned reflex.
Sort of "what shall I do now?" feeling (prelude to blank moment) followed by "I know, I'll have a beer!".
If you take away the second half of the action you are sort of left hanging.

Anyway, I have realised that I was replacing the beer and wine with a little treat - mainly berries and double cream - which was upping my calorie intake. Perhaps a bit like the effects of giving up smoking.

A bit more exercise by walking, and the cravings wearing off, and my weight is dropping back nicely again.

Next Thursday is beer day!

We shall see what resuming my dissolute lifestyle does to my BG and weight.

 

[LittleGreyCat]

Update: fell off the wagon on Monday with a loud crash due to circumstances including an unplanned BBQ at friends house.

Consumed far too much red wine, and came home and washed my evening's dose of Metformin down with a tot of single malt.

Woke feeling a bit stunned this morning so didn't check my fasting BG.
However I have lost exactly 2 lbs since yesterday morning.

I think I could probably make a small fortune promoting this instant weight loss diet.

However, not in quite so extreme a form because waking up feeling stunned after nearly two weeks on the wagon reminds me of one of the down sides of drinking alcohol.