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noblehead said:
Recorded and hope to watch it tonight.

How very sad for the individual involved, diabetes can be so cruel............................
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Without proper medical care. At least some of the suffering could probably be avoided.
 
According to my gp surgery, my t2 is controlled, I say no. Fair enough my severe neuropathy in my feet could well have been because of 2014 that I was diabetic. My gripe is, I am not being looked after.
I believe in this forum and got where I am now with the members input.
Also my psych has a great interest in diabetes and he is astounded by how I am being neglected.
 
Pinkorchid said:
No I don't I know that not everyone is LCHF just referring to the ones who are. Myself I do more moderate carb and lower fat but LCHF it is rather regarded as the Holy Grail here. I hope your way HCLF works for you if it does perhaps you could say so here because many people who do not do LCHF are very reluctant to say so as some have had some nasty remarks made to them We need more to tell us how they manage their diabetes if it is not LCHF
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I not do LCHF. I dont see it as being pushed as the Holy Grail. I see it as being recommended as a first thing to try, as per the excellent post by @daisy1, as it seems to work, to a degree, for most people at first. Then they can do as I have done and tweak the ideas to suit their own physical response to it. It also give a working understanding of testing and what foods to tweak and avoid.
 
Pinkorchid said:
No I don't I know that not everyone is LCHF just referring to the ones who are. Myself I do more moderate carb and lower fat but LCHF it is rather regarded as the Holy Grail here. I hope your way HCLF works for you if it does perhaps you could say so here because many people who do not do LCHF are very reluctant to say so as some have had some nasty remarks made to them We need more to tell us how they manage their diabetes if it is not LCHF
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Yes of course I will write about HCLF here - whether it works or not. It's no use just posting about what works, we need to hear about what doesn't work too. I fully expect it to work in respect of controlling BGs because I have done it before (and posted about it before) The problem was I didn't find it sustainable last time and switched to LCHF as a longer term option. The main problem for me will be to find the right amount of fat, last time I had almost none and suffered badly because of that. I have always said that both LCHF and HCLF work and that it's the combination of carbs and fats together that is most problematic. When I say I will do HCLF, I mean nearly all veggies and a spoonful of olive oil. I don't mean low fat yoghurts and other processed produce or breads and potatoes etc The reason I switch diets from time to time is to try to shock my body into losing weight and to help reduce my insulin resistance.
 
zand said:
Yes of course I will write about HCLF here - whether it works or not. It's no use just posting about what works, we need to hear about what doesn't work too. I fully expect it to work in respect of controlling BGs because I have done it before (and posted about it before) The problem was I didn't find it sustainable last time and switched to LCHF as a longer term option. The main problem for me will be to find the right amount of fat, last time I had almost none and suffered badly because of that. I have always said that both LCHF and HCLF work and that it's the combination of carbs and fats together that is most problematic. When I say I will do HCLF, I mean nearly all veggies and a spoonful of olive oil. I don't mean low fat yoghurts and other processed produce or breads and potatoes etc The reason I switch diets from time to time is to try to shock my body into losing weight and to help reduce my insulin resistance.
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I dont know if this helps, but I am finding that the type of fat i eat is very important. Goose fat, organic olive oil, organic butter and cheese, and modicum of full fat mayo seem ok. I am still experimenting though.
 
serenity648 said:
I dont know if this helps, but I am finding that the type of fat i eat is very important. Goose fat, organic olive oil, organic butter and cheese, and modicum of full fat mayo seem ok. I am still experimenting though.
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Yes I will experiment too. I think I will go against animal fats and experiment with the others this time, but I'm not sure till I put one foot in front of the other.
 
ringi said:
I would expect that mostly it is only people with poor control who are sent to tertiary care hospitals.
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No wrong.... I havent got poor control if according to my consultants I'm still in the top 5% of diabetics.

I just have difficult control ie pump cannulas dont work, need for 4am injections and in fact the secondary care hospital I was under had the manager visit me at home and admitted they didnt have the knowledge to deal with me.....even to the point that when they put me back on a pump again that I was showing them how it worked...

Teriary care is for people that have difficulties outside of the normal expected ranges but that does not mean we have poor control...
 
Seen GP's earlier this evening, poor fella had a whole host of health issues past and present, but despite all that what a cheerful and likeable character he was, you could see he was well liked by all the staff in the practice.
 
Pinkorchid said:
Did anyone see the latest episode of GP's Behind Closed Doors yesterday. There was a diabetic man having a dressing put on his foot as he had recently had a toe removed it was the third one to be removed. The nurse said his diabetes is controlled but he gets infections that will not heal and could lead to him having his foot removed. It seems even with controlled diabetes some people are still more predisposed to complications than others
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Thanks for the heads up. I will look out for it on catch-up.
 
Pinkorchid said:
So if that was recommendation back then why did doctors stop telling people that was the best way to control diabetes there must have been a reason
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££££££ $$$$$$$$$ Ancel Keys, selective data corrupted by funds from big food companies, bad science , big money poured into demonising fats, scientists/doctors who speak out against 40 years of flawed nutritional advice silenced, popular media ignorance, and all at the same time as an explosive growth in obesity/diabetes in the same time frame. The timeline of Low Fat nutritional advice, and growth of obesity/diabetes track together very closely. Doctors go by their training (flawed science underpinning their knowledge in this field) and trot out the current NHS advice (flawed by bad science and vested interests) to people who follow the wrong path (flawed and likely to cause progressive decline, which reinforces progressive element) to manage their condition. I dont believe its malice, its ignorance - the biggest killer of all. When you get something so wrong, for so long, that has probably ruined a lot of peoples lives, how can you ever come out and say you got it wrong ? - so instead, the lies persist - I hope in my lifetime , the scandal is exposed.
 
Pinkorchid said:
Sorry I haven't heard about that
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_peptic_ulcer_disease_and_Helicobacter_pylori

the idea that stomach ulcers were caused by bacteria was mooted in 1875. In 1968 a doctor who treated his patients successfully with penicillin was fined for doing so and his findings rejected by the medical field. The findings of Warren and Marshall where submitted in 1983, showing the bacterial link and some doctors are still disputing the evidence, despite it being used as treatment successfully for over 30 years now.
 
Pinkorchid said:
No one is infallible even doctors can make mistakes but you would not expect it to be the whole medical profession.
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Given how the medical profession receives its wisdom, yes, I would expect that a large majority would make the mistake. Given the information dissemination model that is used, and the time available to investigate and educate, choices have to be made, and governments generally drive those choices.
 
Pinkorchid said:
Did anyone see the latest episode of GP's Behind Closed Doors yesterday. There was a diabetic man having a dressing put on his foot as he had recently had a toe removed it was the third one to be removed. The nurse said his diabetes is controlled but he gets infections that will not heal and could lead to him having his foot removed. It seems even with controlled diabetes some people are still more predisposed to complications than others
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@Pinkorchid I too watched the same program, we seem in the minority. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Diabetes controlled - I took this to mean HbA1c within their range.
The nurse (or 'voice over') did say that the man had vascular problems too, presumably of the lower limb.
What I know - there are vascular complications of diabetes (although not often discussed on this forum.)
Vascular problems result far more often in amputations, then do neuropathic ones. This is so.
Having seen many legs/feet/toes amputated in my time... neuropathic problems tend to affect the big and little toes, where most pressure occurs, also the ball of the foot where bony prominences cause pressure from underneath footwear. Vascular problems result from the area supplied by that artery. Because the man's foot that we saw showed the middle toes missing, along with the sloughy appearance/general discolouration, that tells me they were amputated for vascular reasons.
I am now going for a little lie down, don't think I've made so long a post before
 
Struma said:
@Pinkorchid I too watched the same program, we seem in the minority. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Diabetes controlled - I took this to mean HbA1c within their range.
The nurse (or 'voice over') did say that the man had vascular problems too, presumably of the lower limb.
What I know - there are vascular complications of diabetes (although not often discussed on this forum.)
Vascular problems result far more often in amputations, then do neuropathic ones. This is so.
Having seen many legs/feet/toes amputated in my time... neuropathic problems tend to affect the big and little toes, where most pressure occurs, also the ball of the foot where bony prominences cause pressure from underneath footwear. Vascular problems result from the area supplied by that artery. Because the man's foot that we saw showed the middle toes missing, along with the sloughy appearance/general discolouration, that tells me they were amputated for vascular reasons.
I am now going for a little lie down, don't think I've made so long a post before
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Thank you for posting this. I am aware I have a slight vascular problem on one foot. Your post is very informative.
 
Struma said:
@Pinkorchid I too watched the same program, we seem in the minority. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Diabetes controlled - I took this to mean HbA1c within their range.
The nurse (or 'voice over') did say that the man had vascular problems too, presumably of the lower limb.
What I know - there are vascular complications of diabetes (although not often discussed on this forum.)
Vascular problems result far more often in amputations, then do neuropathic ones. This is so.
Having seen many legs/feet/toes amputated in my time... neuropathic problems tend to affect the big and little toes, where most pressure occurs, also the ball of the foot where bony prominences cause pressure from underneath footwear. Vascular problems result from the area supplied by that artery. Because the man's foot that we saw showed the middle toes missing, along with the sloughy appearance/general discolouration, that tells me they were amputated for vascular reasons.
I am now going for a little lie down, don't think I've made so long a post before
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Yes indeed. Peripheral vascular/arterial disease (PAD) is a common side effect of high blood sugars. It often starts in the legs and is felt when legs ache when walking, particularly going uphill or up stairs. The advice is to walk as much as you can, stop for a rest if necessary, then continue.
 
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