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This is an interesting presentation at the 2017 low carb Breckenridge conference.
http://denversdietdoctor.com/dr-nicolai-worm-nutrition-therapy-non-alcoholic-fatty-liver-disease/
The start of the presentation goes through how NAFLD can be helped by LCHF itself but then at 35 minutes
A Swiss experiment that seems to show that one can reduce NAFLD without calorie restriction by switching in 60g of whey protein per day - I.e. its the excessive levels of carbs in diet that are the big problem - so switch to high protein low carb and leave fats alone and you get some benefits for NAFLD - ( though Fung might say and maybe increase cancer risk)
This brought down liver fat by 21%, trigs by 15% , cholesterol by 7% and increased muscle mass by 4%
(my own figures at 6 weeks were trigs down by 25% and cholesterol by 20% using an 60% fat 22% sat fat - 1250 calorie restricted diet)
At 36 minutes
Moving women onto a high protein diet with no calorie restriction 30% protein 40% carbs and 30% fats which found that the high animal protein diet significantly outperformed the high plant protein diet, in terms of reducing fatty liver, but BOTH diets much better when the switch was made from carbs to protein - so same story
at 37 min
2 studies showing that virgin olive oil reduces hepatic fat no change in total calories but reduced carbs increased olive oil also reduces fatty liver -
This is where I worry a bit that this is an Italian study that use Olive oil and thus it presumes that it is the special qualities of olive oil itself that make the difference ( where is the study that shows it might also be saturated fats = PURE) Both @bulkbiker and my own reductions in fasting insulin would suggest that saturated fats do the same thing as neither of us have focused on olive oil but we have both seen big reductions in fasting insulin.
The end of the presentation then discusses his own solution - which is once again a powder formula - but this time one formulated to actively include the various principles in the various studies - to be taken alongside tablespoons of olive oil for two weeks .
This is thus a formula drink which is high in protein, high fibre, high in omega 3 , low in carbs with various other things thrown in that appear to help clear fatty liver . to be eaten with a spoonful of olive oil plus raw veg - THAT seems a much better formula drink than one which is high in carbs.
Interestingly the end result is really not that much different in terms of nutrients than the one I already posted about how to do a VLC LCHF diet that " mimics " the Newcastle diet" without the carbs
i.e. in order to get enough actual nutrients - it ends up being a high protein, low carb, moderate fat diet - pretty much all the elements described - with the exception of whey protein . I think my lodger left some of that in my cupboard when he left -I will explore its properties !
I guess those of us that like saturated fat could use that,those who swear by olive oil use that !
There was a clinical trial of hepafast - though I can't find the results - maybe they are around somewhere - intuitively that should work more efficaciously than the Newcastle Diet simply because is still focuses on high fat, low carb enough proteins as its start point.
http://denversdietdoctor.com/dr-nicolai-worm-nutrition-therapy-non-alcoholic-fatty-liver-disease/
The start of the presentation goes through how NAFLD can be helped by LCHF itself but then at 35 minutes
A Swiss experiment that seems to show that one can reduce NAFLD without calorie restriction by switching in 60g of whey protein per day - I.e. its the excessive levels of carbs in diet that are the big problem - so switch to high protein low carb and leave fats alone and you get some benefits for NAFLD - ( though Fung might say and maybe increase cancer risk)
This brought down liver fat by 21%, trigs by 15% , cholesterol by 7% and increased muscle mass by 4%
(my own figures at 6 weeks were trigs down by 25% and cholesterol by 20% using an 60% fat 22% sat fat - 1250 calorie restricted diet)
At 36 minutes
Moving women onto a high protein diet with no calorie restriction 30% protein 40% carbs and 30% fats which found that the high animal protein diet significantly outperformed the high plant protein diet, in terms of reducing fatty liver, but BOTH diets much better when the switch was made from carbs to protein - so same story
at 37 min
2 studies showing that virgin olive oil reduces hepatic fat no change in total calories but reduced carbs increased olive oil also reduces fatty liver -
This is where I worry a bit that this is an Italian study that use Olive oil and thus it presumes that it is the special qualities of olive oil itself that make the difference ( where is the study that shows it might also be saturated fats = PURE) Both @bulkbiker and my own reductions in fasting insulin would suggest that saturated fats do the same thing as neither of us have focused on olive oil but we have both seen big reductions in fasting insulin.
The end of the presentation then discusses his own solution - which is once again a powder formula - but this time one formulated to actively include the various principles in the various studies - to be taken alongside tablespoons of olive oil for two weeks .
This is thus a formula drink which is high in protein, high fibre, high in omega 3 , low in carbs with various other things thrown in that appear to help clear fatty liver . to be eaten with a spoonful of olive oil plus raw veg - THAT seems a much better formula drink than one which is high in carbs.
Interestingly the end result is really not that much different in terms of nutrients than the one I already posted about how to do a VLC LCHF diet that " mimics " the Newcastle diet" without the carbs
i.e. in order to get enough actual nutrients - it ends up being a high protein, low carb, moderate fat diet - pretty much all the elements described - with the exception of whey protein . I think my lodger left some of that in my cupboard when he left -I will explore its properties !
I guess those of us that like saturated fat could use that,those who swear by olive oil use that !
There was a clinical trial of hepafast - though I can't find the results - maybe they are around somewhere - intuitively that should work more efficaciously than the Newcastle Diet simply because is still focuses on high fat, low carb enough proteins as its start point.
