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Low carb diets increase risk of T2D and cancer

russelleaton said:
Increasing scientific evidence is showing that low carb diets increase the risk of T2D. Low blood glucose caused by low-carb diets accelerate the risk of insulin resistance and eventual diabetes. The research also shows that low-carb diets can cause cancer because of the associated higher consumption of animal protein.
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I have been following the Low Carb Hi fat diet for 488 days and after a successful Diabetic review yesterday, I have a cholesterol of 4.2 and an HbA1c of 48 (being the WHO recommended diagnostic cut off point for Diabetes). In this time I have stopped Juvancita and Gliclazide. Brought my BP down from 156/125 to 120/70 (and reduced BP tablets), have totally negated the necrobiosis lapoidica ulcerating my legs and can now walk well enough to join local "Walking for Wellness" groups when, before the start of my food regimen, I could hardly walk 100 yards. I had T2D BEFORE I started this regimen, and I totally endorse it as being the right activity for ME
 
russelleaton said:
Increasing scientific evidence is showing that low carb diets increase the risk of T2D. Low blood glucose caused by low-carb diets accelerate the risk of insulin resistance and eventual diabetes. The research also shows that low-carb diets can cause cancer because of the associated higher consumption of animal protein.
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I suppose the longer you live the more likely you are to get cancer of some kind, so by prolonging your life by eating low carb you are also increasing the cancer risk??

Have you considered the fact that carbs are not necessary to us at all, we can stay perfectly healthy without them?
 
Hotpepper20000 said:
Is that a "alternative truth"?
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Resurgam said:
We live in a world which labels Atkins a fad diet - Wikipedia removed my link to this forum in minutes, and my comment about anecdotal evidence of diabetes control.
It seems that there is a firmly fixed mindset about low carb, held in the face of all the experience of weightloss and improved health.
I'd like to see how Wiki would cope with all the diabetics in remission on this forum adding in their comments - probably just suspend the editing of articles - they would not want anyone to suspect them of bias now, would they.
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I am seeing my web developer tomorrow to start a site where "we" can post numbers and gather stats on all the key markers. I mentioned this some time ago and work got in the way; this will be my way to prove that LCHF, ND, IF etc work and what habits / protocols successful advocates adopt (this part of the site will be foc). I intend to have graphs, and to be able to slice and dice information. If this is successful, relevant information will be available to the powers that be. I will open up another thread for more ideas from anyone who wants to contribute, but everything in a full blood count will be included, diet and exercise regimes.
 
Mbaker said:
I am seeing my web developer tomorrow to start a site where "we" can post numbers and gather stats on all the key markers. I mentioned this some time ago and work got in the way; this will be my way to prove that LCHF, ND, IF etc work and what habits / protocols successful advocates adopt (this part of the site will be foc). I intend to have graphs, and to be able to slice and dice information. If this is successful, relevant information will be available to the powers that be. I will open up another thread for more ideas from anyone who wants to contribute, but everything in a full blood count will be included, diet and exercise regimes.
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Please keep me updated - interested in participating.
 
Goonergal said:
Which evidence?
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https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-09-biomarkers-blood-strong-role-food.html

Hi Guys hope I can post this link from Medical Press It has an article backing this thread and sowing more confusion with diet advice. Although the wise know that LCHF is usually a benefit regime for lowering most bad markers.. As this is my first posting I will type this link below as I may not yet be allowed to post the one above ?. I have not as yet posted before as I have not had any tests for T2 or PD I have a doctors visit coming up to request a test as I am 55 already and have this year reduced from 98 KG to 80 KG ish now BMI 26 this by strict 5/2 ing reducing calories generally some fasting and some LCHF ing.. I am hoping my figures are ok but I have always been a sugar monster and creeping from mid 80kg to 98kg over a few less active years has had me wondering and doing some basic research . All the best Guys.. Kevin x Firefighter.
PS I am hoping I am one of the 30% ? with a high carb count tolerance.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-09-biomarkers-blood-strong-role-food.html
 
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Jason Fung found he could reverse type 2 diabetes in about 90% of his patients using a combination of intermittent fasting and low carb diet. I think a very high proportion of type 2 users here who have tried LCHF have experienced good results and most have got down to non-diabetic levels within about 9 months. Those who have also adopted intermittent fasting or low calorie diets (e.g. Newcastle Diet) have got there quicker, some in as little as three months.

In contrast, those type 2 patients who just take the pills and don’t radically change their diet end up with a progressive degenerative disease and end up on increasing dosages of insulin. Looking at the Success Stories section of the forum you can see what are the most effective treatments for type 2. In my case a LCHF diet and intermediate fasting has reduced my HbA1C from 99 to 43 and allowed me to come of all medication plus drop 12Kg so I am no longer obese. The low carb diet has also reduced my blood pressure.
 
Art Of Flowers said:
In contrast, those type 2 patients who just take the pills and don’t radically change their diet end up with a progressive degenerative disease and end up on increasing dosages of insulin.
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Emphasis mine. From what I've read and seen for a series of reason people don't change their habits both on physical activity and diet, so the problem is not solved. Also the diet proposed to patients by GP and nurse is a lot of time wrong and not following the guidelines, or isn't stressed and explained what are the key points.

My idea, backed off by some blog nutritionists' post I've read is that a lot of people isn't following any diet, and this explains the obesity explosion in the USA and in other countries: basically, since the '80 the mean calories intake from fats remained the same, while the carbohydrate part increased, giving a net increase in calorie intake.

Standard low fat diet is difficult to follow for a lot of people, but if one sticks to that diet results are obtainable, dame thing for Mediterranean, DASH or LCHF.
OTOH if one continues to eat a lot of cakes made with refined flour an sugar-loaded it's obvious that will gain weight and lose control on diabetes.

PS: I really really miss pizza. OK actually I eat one every three or four months, but before I was eating pizza at least three times a week.
 
I see the OP has decided not to answer any queries or challenge any of the arguments put forward. That speaks volumes.
 
To be honest I don't think that I am eating any more protein than I was before this low carb eating. All I have done is omit the carbs. I will have something like two thin turkey slices with a massive green and rainbow salad for lunch, and just meat and a load of veg for dinner. Or a sausage wrapped in a lettuce with cheese, cucumber, and some peppers, for dinner perhaps an omelet with spinach and veg and so on. My meat will be a pork chop, or lamb steak, chicken or fish. I don't eat breakfast, and sometimes skip lunch so no protein overload for me
 
MikeTurin said:
Standard low fat diet is difficult to follow for a lot of people, but if one sticks to that diet results are obtainable, dame thing for Mediterranean, DASH or LCHF.
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I agree that the government's low fat eating guideline is hard to follow and is probably healthier than the standard western diet (high fat, high carb, and highly processed). (As an aside, I usually ask doctors and nurses that I'm having a consult with if they follow these guidelines. No, they don't.)

However, I suspect that the number of type 2 diabetics that follow the government eating guidelines and achieve and maintain non-diabetic blood glucose levels is vanishingly small. This is likely why I was told on my first consult with a diabetes nurse that if I followed their eating guidelines (low fat/high carb), my diabetes would get worse over time and I'd be on more and more diabetes drugs and eventually on insulin and then die younger than the average person does. That was hardly a confidence builder for their recommendations.

I told her than I was not going to follow their advice and that I didn't plan on my diabetes progressing. Four years later and I have normal blood glucose levels and am on no meds. And I have found low carb eating quite easy to maintain, especially compared to the government guidelines, which left me feeling like I was starving.
 
Mbaker said:
I am seeing my web developer tomorrow to start a site where "we" can post numbers and gather stats on all the key markers. I mentioned this some time ago and work got in the way; this will be my way to prove that LCHF, ND, IF etc work and what habits / protocols successful advocates adopt (this part of the site will be foc). I intend to have graphs, and to be able to slice and dice information. If this is successful, relevant information will be available to the powers that be. I will open up another thread for more ideas from anyone who wants to contribute, but everything in a full blood count will be included, diet and exercise regimes.
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Hi @Mbaker ..
Very interested in taking part and/or becoming involved .. please keep me updated on developments and progress
 
Art Of Flowers said:
Try watching some of Jason’s videos on diabetes. There is one linked in my signature.
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In this video, he did mentioned that in gastric banding/bariatric surgery as much as 90% of the cases "cures" diabetes...@08:50 to prove the point that diabetes is reversible.

But that is still rather different from saying he has seen similar success rate with a combination of LCHF and IF. I think we should be cautious not to oversell the effectiveness of the approach even though many of us had success with it...:D
 
NoCrbs4Me said:
I agree that the government's low fat eating guideline is hard to follow and is probably healthier than the standard western diet (high fat, high carb, and highly processed). (As an aside, I usually ask doctors and nurses that I'm having a consult with if they follow these guidelines. No, they don't.)

However, I suspect that the number of type 2 diabetics that follow the government eating guidelines and achieve and maintain non-diabetic blood glucose levels is vanishingly small. This is likely why I was told on my first consult with a diabetes nurse that if I followed their eating guidelines (low fat/high carb), my diabetes would get worse over time and I'd be on more and more diabetes drugs and eventually on insulin and then die younger than the average person does. That was hardly a confidence builder for their recommendations.

I told her than I was not going to follow their advice and that I didn't plan on my diabetes progressing. Four years later and I have normal blood glucose levels and am on no meds. And I have found low carb eating quite easy to maintain, especially compared to the government guidelines, which left me feeling like I was starving.
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My nurse told me more or less the same thing. She herself told me that she follows the LCHF diet and how much more healthy that she feels.
 
geefull said:
OP's health claims sound remarkably similar to something I overheard a nursing aide telling someone in the next bed when I was in the hospital last week, she was explaining that she was a bit tired because she had been listening to a 19 hour audio book given by a vegetarian friend. The takeaway message of the book seemed to be get everything from veggies and grains and cut animal 'products' down to less than 5% of food (these animal products appeared to include dairy and eggs).

I gently suggested that there was good new research backing the 'other school' of low carb and healthy protein and fat and she told me that the book specifically warned against ' these fad diets' :(

Thankfully I met with some good responses from some of the other health care people I met (I think I'll make a post about the range of responses, it was interesting).

It's not just big pharma, veggie oil producers and cheap junk food manufacturers who will be panicking about the latest findings on carbs, saturated fat and cholesterol. I should think the vegan/vegetarian lobbies must be pretty unhappy. The 'heart health' dogma has been one of their major selling points.

I think that there is likely to be a lot of incoming obfuscation and cherry picking to try to defuse/defend the status quo.

Give me the good quality research and I'll read it. One of the big gains from being diagnosed is that I've improved my critical thinking about 'evidence' ;)
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i was veggie for about 35 years, though never vegan, so always ate eggs and dairy products. i started eating fish again about five years ago, but still don't eat poultry or red meat. so i obviously don't eat loads of animal protein (though it depends how you define it i guess), but i manage a lchf diet very easily, my protein comes from fish, eggs, cheese, tofu, nuts and pulses. the nutritionist who recommended lchf to me has also suggested that i have the occasional vegan week - i must confess i've never bothered to ask him why, as i've had such good results following his advice i just do what he says. so it is possible to be lchf and veggie - though i think i'd get very bored if i tried to be vegan all the time, there's only so much tofu and lentils i can eat .....
 
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