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BRITGRAN

BRITGRAN

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As a type 2 who monitors my BS why do trained medical staff not know Carbs are the enemy for most of us......I have a very nice DN who recently took me off Metformin SR the difference has been amazing, no more upset stomachs and for the first time in a couple of years I've lost 4 kg since taking Forxiga once a day for 3 weeks, my BS is a bit high in the mornings and as I'm not really a breakfast eater she insisted I eat porridge in the mornings , no says I it increases my sugar levels, weigh 40 grams she said.......blood sugar before breakfast 9.7, blood sugar 2 hours after 27 grams of porridge 14.7, will I have it again ....No !!
 
What I get really miffed about is the fact that this idea is just not logical, it makes no sense at all. These are not stupid people, why can't they tick their boxes and just say 'Well done, keep doing what you're doing' and leave it at that? Grumble, grumble, chunter.
 
BRITGRAN said:
As a type 2 who monitors my BS why do trained medical staff not know Carbs are the enemy for most of us
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It's the training that's the problem. Mostly they stick to what they were taught or the current NICE guidelines. Some, like my own DN are prepared to think for themselves. However she explained that despite recommending reduction in carbohydrates, many of her patients have the attitude that they have a right to eat what they want and it's the medical profession's job to sort it out with drugs.
 
I've heard some wonderful gems concerning carbs!
Especially from experts!

In the last five years I've heard from numerous sources that I must eat 'complex carbs'!

It is totally illogical to eat something that you have an intolerance to.
Why eat yourself ill?
Regardless of how high GI is, it is by nature, a carb which will turn more quickly to glucose than other foods. Getting the personal balance of protein, fats and the few carbs is a better treatment.

"So you can still eat wholemeal bread then?"

Grrrrr!
 
Guzzler said:
What I get really miffed about is the fact that this idea is just not logical, it makes no sense at all. These are not stupid people, why can't they tick their boxes and just say 'Well done, keep doing what you're doing' and leave it at that? Grumble, grumble, chunter.
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Cos one of the boxes they have to tick is "Gave patient advise about the 'Eatwell Guide' "?
 
I agree with @Mr_Pot . The answer to your question "why?" is because that is not how they are trained and they don't live with diabetes 24 x 7.
Occasionally, we come across health care professionals who take it upon themselves to learn. It would be lovely if they all did this but when?

As for the feeling some patients feel they have a "right" to drugs, I blame Peppa Pig :-)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42322216
 
During one of my diabetes education sessions we were told that eating a baked potato with baked beans out of a tin would not increase blood glucose, and that type one diabetics do not even have to inject meal time insulin if they eat low sugar baked beans.
I was doing OK by then, but there were some seriously ill people in that room - and by the third session there was one who was absent.
I go to a care home each Monday evening as we have the community room for band practice, and there is one resident who has very little sight and the lower parts of both legs missing due to complications of uncontrolled diabetes - it is something he realizes now, but he was too busy to look after himself at the time - he says. He still has carbs with every meal.
 
Guzzler said:
What I get really miffed about is the fact that this idea is just not logical, it makes no sense at all. These are not stupid people, why can't they tick their boxes and just say 'Well done, keep doing what you're doing' and leave it at that? Grumble, grumble, chunter.
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More than that, it's insane.
 
I remember my stay in a diabetic ward for my 72 hrs fasting test.

The nurse, a sister offered me the alternatives of toast, weetabix,or a low fat strawberry yogurt when my endocrinologist said it was okay to start eating again.
Despite my objections, she insisted that these options were fine for diabetics.
I of course turned down the invitation.
I couldn't believe the food recommended for diabetics on the new and revised menu for patients. Full of carbs and low fat. Concentrated Orange juice, baked spuds and beans, sandwich with spread, fruit yoghurt and all the cereals you could eat!
Pasta was prominent on that weeks menu!
Mashed potatoes were ok as well!
 
Lamont D said:
I remember my stay in a diabetic ward for my 72 hrs fasting test.

The nurse, a sister offered me the alternatives of toast, weetabix,or a low fat strawberry yogurt when my endocrinologist said it was okay to start eating again.
Despite my objections, she insisted that these options were fine for diabetics.
I of course turned down the invitation.
I couldn't believe the food recommended for diabetics on the new and revised menu for patients. Full of carbs and low fat. Concentrated Orange juice, baked spuds and beans, sandwich with spread, fruit yoghurt and all the cereals you could eat!
Pasta was prominent on that weeks menu!
Mashed potatoes were ok as well!
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When you go into hospital, you really don't expect them to try to kill you.
 
The government tells the docs what to tell you, they know it's wrong but are not allowed to tell you the truth,I got my BG down to normal in 3 months and was taken off metformin when I challenged my doc about carbs she said I know how you have done it but you must eat plenty of carbs, then she said but just carry on doing what you are doing.
 
Just had second three-monthly blood test. (First result hbA1c 58, total cholesterol (no breakdown) 4.4 'with lots of good stuff', BP 'spot on' - my GP is laid-back....) Our practice doesn't have a DN nurse but the nurse who took the bloods asked me what I was following dietwise. There ensued an interesting conversation about the Eatwell Plate. She agreed that it was not good (but didn't come right out and condemn it) and she was quite happy to chat about diets. She admitted it was extremely difficult to get the right balance as we are bombarded with different advice from all directions. I came away feeling positive that the message is, very slowly, getting out there - I'll see what my GP says! I also have attended a group session run by a nurse at another practice who is totally against the Eatwell Plate - she was brilliant. There are a couple of doctors who have also come out in favour of low-carbing. Here in Somerset the NHS has just started a My Diabetes My Way website (not fully functioning yet) and I have registered. I think this was set up on the back of a pilot study in Scotland - are any members in Scotland registered with this? Is the tide very slowly turning?
 
Guzzler said:
What I get really miffed about is the fact that this idea is just not logical, it makes no sense at all. These are not stupid people, why can't they tick their boxes and just say 'Well done, keep doing what you're doing' and leave it at that? Grumble, grumble, chunter.
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Well, that is exactly what my GP said to me, after what I felt was a slight decrease in recent numbers as opposed to what I felt like was a lot of hard work and lack of biscuits. And I grumbled at that, because I wanted a plan, not my hit-or-miss approach ;)

But I'd rather it be a good plan :)
 
BRITGRAN said:
As a type 2 who monitors my BS why do trained medical staff not know Carbs are the enemy for most of us......I have a very nice DN who recently took me off Metformin SR the difference has been amazing, no more upset stomachs and for the first time in a couple of years I've lost 4 kg since taking Forxiga once a day for 3 weeks, my BS is a bit high in the mornings and as I'm not really a breakfast eater she insisted I eat porridge in the mornings , no says I it increases my sugar levels, weigh 40 grams she said.......blood sugar before breakfast 9.7, blood sugar 2 hours after 27 grams of porridge 14.7, will I have it again ....No !!
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oh dear...please please please, when are you all out there going to TRUST your own gut feelings, look after YOUR OWN BODIES, instead of someone else, we, you, I are the only ones to know our bodies and what is best, I as pre diabetic ensuring I dont become diabetic for example, as you say how infuriating and appalling and deplorable to say the very least, people are put on a responsible position when they do not know how to recommend and guide people regards carbs. Perhaps the so called System if one can call it that as it is all about big business at the end of the day, should have a crash course at diet doctor website, learn about Keto low carb eating, view Dr. Jason Fung intermittent fasting, and read Dr. David Cavan book, they would soon find out that CARBS and especially POTATOES, RICE, BREAD AND PASTA are a no no for the rest of life, its as simple as that.

how dare, carers put forth food that can raise a persons blood sugars without being 100% sure what they are recommending is good for ones health...

so.....simple, dont trust those people, and use your own common sense, and look after your own body, as no one else will at the end of the day.

hope this helps, yes I speak straight and to the point, a wonderful way to be, rather than beating around the bush, it is something I learnt from good old Australians straight talk, call a spade a spade the best way to address matters by all means, the same certainly gets results.

mallorca
 
dbr10 said:
When you go into hospital, you really don't expect them to try to kill you.
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If that had happened to myself as explained, I would have immediately attended my lawyer to claim negligence against the Hospital of what "could" have happened had I followed the advices of food to be given to a pre known diabetic patient, as you state, no one expects a Hospital to kill one intentionally or unintentionally, the facts remain, clear to be offered such foods, a claim should be made by a legal person due to such frightening and concerning situations that seem to be taking place, continuing and no one doing a thing about, it, putting it forth to an internal department I doubt will do much it will be noted, and probably filed away the denouncement should be outside by a lawyer in my opinion, and if I was offered such foods, it is without doubt, I would take them all the way.

Mallorca
 
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