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Type 2 Bloods

Suffolkboy69

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Advice please.bloods before breakfast at 8-15 we’re 7.2.breakfast of 3rounds whole meal bread with marmite +two cups of tea.with one sweetener.cup of coffee at 11 .30 1sweetener.bloods at 12.30 10.9.any ideals why bs so high.i take 1 metfomin and 1 gliclazide with breakfast,1 metformin with lunch and 1 metformin+gliclazide with dinner.help please.
 
Advice please.bloods before breakfast at 8-15 we’re 7.2.breakfast of 3rounds whole meal bread with marmite +two cups of tea.with one sweetener.cup of coffee at 11 .30 1sweetener.bloods at 12.30 10.9.any ideals why bs so high.i take 1 metfomin and 1 gliclazide with breakfast,1 metformin with lunch and 1 metformin+gliclazide with dinner.help please.

Perhaps "3 rounds whole meal bread" might be part of it.

If you are struggling with BG control then carbohydrates don't usually help. Wholemeal bread might give you a slightly slower hit than white processed bread, but it is still likely to push your BG up.

Also, you tested 4 hours after starting eating; it would be more useful to test 2 hours after first bite to get an idea of how you are reacting to the meal. Four hours after the meal you might have had your BG come down, and then had it go up again from a liver dump because all you have eaten, really, is carbohydrates.

Sweeteners can also fool your body into thinking that you are having sugar, and trigger an insulin + liver dump which can take your BG higher.

I would suggest that if you had a couple of eggs with your bread (or better still just the eggs) that might help reduce your BG.

Everyone is different, but toast and marmite as your only food is perhaps not the best diet for most T2s.
 
Advice please.bloods before breakfast at 8-15 we’re 7.2.breakfast of 3rounds whole meal bread with marmite +two cups of tea.with one sweetener.cup of coffee at 11 .30 1sweetener.bloods at 12.30 10.9.any ideals why bs so high.i take 1 metfomin and 1 gliclazide with breakfast,1 metformin with lunch and 1 metformin+gliclazide with dinner.help please.

While taking all that Gliclazide, your levels should not be so high. Your testing regime needs to be more structured, and your food choices could do with tweaking. Carbs will cause your levels to rise. As @LittleGreyCat said, test immediately before you eat then again 2 hours after first bite (with no other food or drink in between). Look at the rise from before eating to the 2 hour mark. If it is more than 2mmol/l (and preferably less) there were too many carbs in that meal for your body to process. Keeping a detailed food diary and recording your levels alongside will soon show you which your danger foods are. I suspect 3 slices of toast of whatever colour will be a culprit.
 
Lose the bread. It's diabolical. Also, just because you take metformin and gliclazide doesn't mean you can avoid a pragmatic diabetes diet program. Drugs like metformin moderate the sugars released by the liver. It can't do much about what you choose to stick in your guts. Spend some time reading around the forum. There's a good amount of useful information. Most of us here strictly control the amount of carbohydrates we eat and replace them with protein and fat based foods. Daisy, give this a guy a post with your wonderful information sheet.
Glenn
 
I'll tag @daisy1 for the information sheet - but the basic problem is that as a diabetic, carbs are not your friend, you can't cope with the modern idea of a balanced diet, and it ramps up the blood glucose if you overdo it.
There are no essential carbs, no need to eat the processed grain which is so easy to find, or the sugary 'treats' which are so addictive. Some carbs are OK - those with lower carb content such as salads and above the ground veges, and about 50 gm seems to do the trick for lucky type 2s who end up with normal readings and no medication - and a delicious diet to follow - I just got home on a cold wet night and warmed up the beef stew I made earlier - any meat or fish, shellfish eggs most cheese, are all OK to eat. As you are on gliclazide you'll need to watch that you don't go low, so a gradual diminution of carbs is advisable - I just went at it like a bull at a gate, but that's me - and it has worked out very well.
 
@Suffolkboy69

Hello Suffolkboy and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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