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I take that as an insult. Obviously, like most people, I know the difference. The large waist and pot belly indicate the visceral type.The Dexa Machines in my area are in huge demand. I was put in a 3 month queue for one but was lucky enough to get a cancellation albeit at 9am at less than 24 hours notice. They have other uses besides fat.
I think you might have got that wrong...... visceral fat is fat around the internal organs like the panceas, liver etc etc.......Subcutaneous fat is the big beer belly type fat just below the skin. M<y understanding is that you can have visceral fat and not be obese.... Im always open to correction however
 
I think you might have got that wrong...... visceral fat is fat around the internal organs like the panceas, liver etc etc.......Subcutaneous fat is the big beer belly type fat just below the skin. M<y understanding is that you can have visceral fat and not be obese.... Im always open to correction however

You have the truth. And visceral fat is the target for diabetes to notable improve your metabolism. From my experience it is the last fat going out of your body in process of weight loss. :-(
 
I think you might have got that wrong...... visceral fat is fat around the internal organs like the panceas, liver etc etc.......Subcutaneous fat is the big beer belly type fat just below the skin. M<y understanding is that you can have visceral fat and not be obese.... Im always open to correction however
Sub cutaneous means literally sub "under", cutaneous "skin". Visceral means of the "gut". My understanding is that these terms are slightly misused especially visceral to mean pancreatic and liver fat but also fat round other internal organs like the heart kidneys and bowel (eg belly fat); and subcutaneous to mean more strictly the fat under the skin such as the fat some ( but not all) women tend to carry directly under the skin on their hips thighs and bottoms. The visceral fat is the stuff that's important for diabetes. Subcutaneous fat is the stuff we store in the "right" place in case of famine. In my case a very long famine!
 
I think you might have got that wrong...... visceral fat is fat around the internal organs like the panceas, liver etc etc.......Subcutaneous fat is the big beer belly type fat just below the skin. M<y understanding is that you can have visceral fat and not be obese.... Im always open to correction however

You are perfectly right. As a TOFI I would still have had visceral fat around the organs but no subcutaneous fat. TOFI is also referred to as MONW as Metabolically Obese, Normal Weight.
 
You have the truth. And visceral fat is the target for diabetes to notable improve your metabolism. From my experience it is the last fat going out of your body in process of weight loss. :-(

There is evidence to suggest that for some people the visceral fat can be the first to be lost when dietary changes are made.
 
I would have imagined that you as a Newcastle Diet devotee would understand only too well the importance of knowing visceral fat levels especially around the liver and pancreas. What do you think Prof Taylor is looking for in his scans?
I could well have got one privately but wasn't aware of anywhere locally offering the service and more to the point neither was the "diabetes overseer" at my surgery who had never heard of the Dexa.
Looking in the mirror isn't an especially "scientific" way of looking for visceral fat.. ask any TOFI and BMI is a completely useless measure too as I'm sure you are perfectly aware. Neither method is any good at looking for visceral fat.
As for why should the NHS pay for it? Aren't they there to preserve our health?
[PDF]NHS Diagnostic Waiting Times and Activity Data - NHS England

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/.../DWTA-Report-January-2017.pdf

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I'm not going to bother to argue with you as you obviously seem to be under the impression that subcutaneous fat and visceral fat are the same thing. Which they patently aren't. So the NHS has the Dexa machines but won't use them on patients who have paid for them through their taxes and national insurance. Not surprising....but disappointing especially as I imagine they sit there unused for most of the time as apparently even the doctors don't know about their various uses. Money well spent NHS?

[PDF]NHS Diagnostic Waiting Times and Activity Data - NHS England

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/.../DWTA-Report-January-2017.pdf

2 Jan 2017 - waiting 6 weeks or longer was Dexa Scan with 0.4% of patients waiting 6 weeks or longer. The test with the highest proportion was Urodynamics, with 9.4% of patients waiting 6 weeks or longer. waiting time.



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.Subcutaneous fat is the big beer belly type fat just below the skin.
Visceral fat is body fat that is stored within the abdominal cavity and is therefore stored around a number of important internal organs such as the liver, pancreas and intestines. ... Storing higher amounts of visceral fat is associated with increased risks of a number of health problems including type 2 diabetes.

Visceral Fat (Active Fat) - Types of Fat, Insulin Resistance & Health Risks

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/body/visceral-fat.html



This is an easy but not entirely accurate way to measure your visceral fat. Simplymeasure the circumference of each with a tape measure (around the largest point) and then divide the waist measurement by the hip measurement. If the number is worse than 1.0 for men, or 0.85 for women then they are considered excessive.

How to Measure and Lose Visceral Fat - Health Guidance

www.healthguidance.org/entry/16040/1/How-to-Measure-and-Lose-Visceral-Fat.html
 
Kind of.. I have never seen the doctor concerning Type 2 alway the nurses apart from one specific appointment I made to try and get a dexa scan to look at visceral fat. GP had never heard of it.. I also mentioned the Newcastle Diet and Prof Roy Taylor. Doc had never heard of either and he's the GP with responsibility for diabetes in the practise! Apart from that I have only ever seen either the diabetes nurse or the practise nurse (when the DN had quit and not been replaced). Have been met with ignorance (from the DN's) and a full blown row with the PN concerning carbs. Need less to say all results now online and minimal contact between me and the surgery apart from blood tests.
I would be surprised if the NHS offer DXA for body composition, I think at the moment they are only offered to adults for bone density scanning. I believe, not 100% Sure, that they are looking at DXA for body composition but this is still in research. Might be worth seeing if there are any trials about that you could join. Or you probably could have it done privately if you were keen to have it done. I suppose it depends on how much the measurement means to you and whether you would be able to change anything significantly even if you knew to justify the coat of having it done privately.
 
what do you think of the calcium score scan for your heart?
 
what do you think of the calcium score scan for your heart?
Had one of those done privately. Scored 40 which after 30 years of drinking , smoking and being overweight I thought was ok.. now will monitor every couple of years to make sure no worsening.
 
Visceral fat is body fat that is stored within the abdominal cavity and is therefore stored around a number of important internal organs such as the liver, pancreas and intestines. ... Storing higher amounts of visceral fat is associated with increased risks of a number of health problems including type 2 diabetes.

Visceral Fat (Active Fat) - Types of Fat, Insulin Resistance & Health Risks

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/body/visceral-fat.html



This is an easy but not entirely accurate way to measure your visceral fat. Simplymeasure the circumference of each with a tape measure (around the largest point) and then divide the waist measurement by the hip measurement. If the number is worse than 1.0 for men, or 0.85 for women then they are considered excessive.

How to Measure and Lose Visceral Fat - Health Guidance

www.healthguidance.org/entry/16040/1/How-to-Measure-and-Lose-Visceral-Fat.html
From your linked piece..

"Visceral fat is also different in that it remains the same shape and won't fall to your sides or sink into your stomach when you are lying down"

My gut used to disappear when lying flat.. so I'm guessing as I said before that it was mostly subcutaneous... I doubt it is possible to be alive with 8 stones of visceral fat.
 
Had one of those done privately. Scored 40 which after 30 years of drinking , smoking and being overweight I thought was ok.. now will monitor every couple of years to make sure no worsening.
I was thinking about getting the procedure done privately also. Rang the private clinic and they wouldnt answer the phone lol
 
Had one of those done privately. Scored 40 which after 30 years of drinking , smoking and being overweight I thought was ok.. now will monitor every couple of years to make sure no worsening.
Many congratulations on giving up smoking. It was the hardest thing I ever did.
 
I need to give up smoking made all the usual excuses so far.
 
I need to give up smoking made all the usual excuses so far.
I used nicotine replacement. I gave up successfully but wanted to die. Then I went to the doctor and got Zyban. That worked. I believe there is a new and even better one now called champix. My mother said "you have to do it sometime so you may as well do it now". I think she was right. The best of luck to you.
 
M<y understanding is that you can have visceral fat and not be obese
It is said you can even be skinny yet have visceral fat. It's called TOFI - thin on the outside, fat on the inside! I doubt if it works the other way round - if you are obese IMO you are pretty sure to have visceral fat as well.
 
It is said you can even be skinny yet have visceral fat. It's called TOFI - thin on the outside, fat on the inside! I doubt if it works the other way round - if you are obese IMO you are pretty sure to have visceral fat as well.
https://www.supplementplace.co.uk/blog/visceral-fat-measurement/
Measuring Visceral Fat: The Inside Story

16th Sep 2016 | Admin

They say ‘out of sight, out of mind,’ but when it comes to the store of fat hiding within the muscle walls of your abdomen, you really do need to know about it. Learning to assess your visceral fat level is a positive move in the quest to protect yourself from the types of disease linked to this particular form of obesity.



We come in all shapes and sizes, and because visceral fat is buried deep inside our body, it is extremely difficult for health organisations to produce valid charts identifying it simply by using measurements of weight, height and gender. The fat that clings to our heart, liver and pancreas is a very individual commodity, and this is why a guide that fits everyone cannot be accurate.

The kind of fat known as visceral, or visceral adipose tissue (VAT) to use the clinical term, is the stuff that wraps around your abdominal organs. VAT is also sometimes known as ‘active’ fat because it doesn’t just lie there dormant; it releases acids which are then metabolised by the liver, causing hormonal problems such as insulin resistance. The presence of high levels of VAT can also result in too much fat in the bloodstream leading to hyperlipidaemia and type 2 diabetes.

Cardiovascular problems, pancreatitis, fatty liver and gall bladder disease can also be a result of persistently high levels of visceral fat. It has also been found to be a pre-curser to Alzheimer’s disease and certain cancers.

· The Tape Measure Test


This is one method of measuring visceral fat which costs nothing. It is a guide recommended by dieticians, and can be easily carried out at home to provide a fairly good idea of what proportion of your abdominal fat is subcutaneous (that which is stored beneath the skin) and what percentage is visceral.

Here’s what to do to take these measurements:

  1. Firstly, take the circumference measurement of both your waist and your hips at their largest point
  2. Next, divide your waist measurement by your hip measurement
  3. If the ratio is higher than 1.0 for men and 0.85 for women then the amount of fat is considered excessive, i.e. for men a ratio of 36/40 is good, but some of this fat may still be subcutaneous
  4. To further refine the measurement and get a greater accuracy of visceral fat, measure your stomach while standing up and then measure it again when lying down. Subcutaneous fat will settle out to the sides of your stomach but visceral fat will not move
  5. The difference between your standing up and lying down measurement tells you how much of your stomach fat is the visceral kind
Where do we go from Here?
Once you have established whether your own visceral fat store is at a healthy level, or that you need to concentrate your efforts on burning the excess amount, you will at least be able to go forward in a position of knowledge bringing strength. It has been conclusively established that simply controlling food is not enough.

Regular exercise is the secret to getting rid of dangerous levels of abdominal fat and it is those who remain slim by diet alone who are most at risk. So finding an exercise routine that suits your age and physical ability, with the prospect of building on it as your strength improves, is the best way to begin to whittle away your visceral fat.

Eating a diet consisting of plenty of vegetables, particularly those which contain soluble fibre, will help greatly with the burning of abdominal fat. Many vegetables fall into the category of containing soluble fibre but some are particularly useful. Foods such as oats and oatbran, legumes, Brussels sprouts (cooked), avocado and passion fruit have high amounts of soluble fibre. It is also possible to take a natural dietary supplement to give yourself the soluble fibre you need so that if your diet is not always right on the mark, or you struggle with eating large amounts of the appropriate foods, you are covered.
 
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