Weight loss v BG reduction on LCHF

[PenguinMum]

Eating later has no effect on my morning levels.

How much are you rising between bedtime and getting up time?

The main cause of high fasting levels is insulin resistance, because when the liver dumps glucose the insulin can't push all that glucose into the cells for energy so it remains swimming about in the blood stream until such time as the pancreas secretes enough insulin to clear it. This can take hours in severely IR people. Lower carb consumption, and foods with small insulin triggers, minimal fruit, some good brisk walks, and fasting will help a lot with IR.

It may be you need to reduce your carbs. It is possible 50g a day is too much for your body to cope with right now.

I start supper at 8pm with 5-6 and 2 hours later am usually 6-7. Its then 10pm and bedtime. I eat breakfast at 8 and can be 7-8. I havent been measuring FB lately because of pain, meds etc but I always test with food. Tbh I am probably well under 50g a day because I dont eat bread, potatoes, rice or pasta so my carbs are from veg and nuts mostly. However I am getting no exercise lately. I said I dont snack but occasionally I have walnuts.

 

[PenguinMum]

What is the pressure to get 5s @PenguinMum? 6s and 7s are healthy bgs.

I was only getting 4s and 5s on insulin therapy.
Only fasting gets 4s and 5s for we type2s. They don't last thou as we cannot constantly fast.... or shouldn't.

Is there any reason why you need 4s and 5s?

Thanks for reply @ickihun. I think my issue is I have been seeing the same numbers for months and I would like to see a reduction now. I get very excited if I see a 5 early in the day as its usually only evening time. I do think my DP goes on up to and beyond lunchtime. As long as my next HBA1c is satisfactory I will be happy.

 

[ickihun]

Thanks for reply @ickihun. I think my issue is I have been seeing the same numbers for months and I would like to see a reduction now. I get very excited if I see a 5 early in the day as its usually only evening time. I do think my DP goes on up to and beyond lunchtime. As long as my next HBA1c is satisfactory I will be happy.

A liver block before bed reduces the hba1c and fbgs.
I'm ill at mo and forgot to take some of my meds so my fbgs are high. I haven't been proactive with liver blocks either.
I know all the tools to low HbA1c but when I'll I sometimes cannot keep on top of doing intense care of my bgs.

 

[ickihun]

Where does it say that in the Type 2 rulebook?

No one on here gets steady 4s and 5s unless fasting or on insulin injections. Otherwise it's one offs. No consistency.
They get 6s and 7s without fasting or insulin assistance.
Ask any fbg posters.

 

[ickihun]

Thanks for reply @ickihun. I think my issue is I have been seeing the same numbers for months and I would like to see a reduction now. I get very excited if I see a 5 early in the day as its usually only evening time. I do think my DP goes on up to and beyond lunchtime. As long as my next HBA1c is satisfactory I will be happy.

This may be your bodies natural number. Only insulin or pancreas stimulants will get low bgs consistently. Fasters too if they keep fanatical about fasting.
All forced lower bgs.
We all have a natural bg which works for our body best. Like none diabetics do.
They all have different natural ranges. They aren't ALL in 4s and 5s consistently.

 

[bulkbiker]

No one on here gets steady 4s and 5s unless fasting or on insulin injections. Otherwise it's one offs. No consistency.
They get 6s and 7s without fasting or insulin assistance.
Ask any fbg posters.

My FBG numbers for 2017 not much fasting and no drugs

 

[PenguinMum]

This may be your bodies natural number. Only insulin or pancreas stimulants will get low bgs consistently. Fasters too if they keep fanatical about fasting.
All forced lower bgs.
We all have a natural bg which works for our body best. Like none diabetics do.
They all have different natural ranges. They aren't ALL in 4s and 5s consistently.

I didnt know that people settle at a natural for them number. I am so keen to be the best I can while living in a sustainable way for me. I am sorry you are unwell today and I now understand how illness, pain and painkillers dont make Diabetes easy. I hope you get better soon.

 

[PenguinMum]

A liver block before bed reduces the hba1c and fbgs.
I'm ill at mo and forgot to take some of my meds so my fbgs are high. I haven't been proactive with liver blocks either.
I know all the tools to low HbA1c but when I'll I sometimes cannot keep on top of doing intense care of my bgs.

Re liver blocks because I eat at 8pm when OH gets back (and it has been later sometimes) and go to bed around 10pm I am not able to realistically fit in anything...even a chunk of cheese !

 

[Mbaker]

No one on here gets steady 4s and 5s unless fasting or on insulin injections. Otherwise it's one offs. No consistency.
They get 6s and 7s without fasting or insulin assistance.
Ask any fbg posters.

Not sure about that. I haven't seen past a 5.2 fasting for at least 24 months on low GI, eating 3 times a day, LCHF 1 or 2 meals and of course fasting. I don't want to experiment and see what happens if I don't do anything for say 2 weeks as I am in a lifestyle. Most times I am in the 4's like today was a 4.1 on 50 mins of walking yesterday and 2 hotel meals.

 

[Bluetit1802]

No one on here gets steady 4s and 5s unless fasting or on insulin injections. Otherwise it's one offs. No consistency.
They get 6s and 7s without fasting or insulin assistance.
Ask any fbg posters.

Not true. At least, not in my case. Other than post meal, I live all day and all night in the 4s and 5s. 2 hours post meals it is 5s and 6s. I call that pretty steady and consistent. No meds.

 

[rab5]

No one on here gets steady 4s and 5s unless fasting or on insulin injections. Otherwise it's one offs. No consistency.
They get 6s and 7s without fasting or insulin assistance.
Ask any fbg posters.

I do. Even lower if I’m fasting. If I was 6/7 I would change what I’m doing.

 

[Mr_Pot]

This thread seems to have turned into low fbg boasting. It must be very discouraging for people who have made a big effort to control their BG to suggest they have somehow failed if they have not got their fbg down to 4's or 5's. As for fasting, getting low BG by not eating is hardly surprising.

 

[bulkbiker]

Not really @Mr_Pot
I was countering a statement from @ickihun that

No one on here gets steady 4s and 5s unless fasting or on insulin injections

Which I thought was factually incorrect. As we are all just random voices on the internet I provided some evidence although I guess that could be fake too. If people have nothing to aim for then how can they see progress.

 

[Bluetit1802]

This thread seems to have turned into low fbg boasting. It must be very discouraging for people who have made a big effort to control their BG to suggest they have somehow failed if they have not got their fbg down to 4's or 5's. As for fasting, getting low BG by not eating is hardly surprising.

All I was doing was correcting something another poster said, in a very sweeping statement.

I do agree with what you say about it being off putting to many people, which is why I try to encourage them never to compare themselves with others but to set their own targets and be pleased when they meet them.

 

[ickihun]

I didnt know that people settle at a natural for them number. I am so keen to be the best I can while living in a sustainable way for me. I am sorry you are unwell today and I now understand how illness, pain and painkillers dont make Diabetes easy. I hope you get better soon.

The best you can... is your natural number without intervention. I would have thought.
Aiming for bordering hypos or hypo levels as you agree is too low. Because of a degree of fluctuation in everyone's levels then hypos are present if anyone deliberately has average 4s. That's the nature of diabetes. There has to be some lower numbers and higher to average 4.
Why deliberately aim for a risk of hypos? Is that safe?

 

[ickihun]

All I was doing was correcting something another poster said, in a very sweeping statement.

I do agree with what you say about it being off putting to many people, which is why I try to encourage them never to compare themselves with others but to set their own targets and be pleased when they meet them.

Which is there natural level to a health body not being damaged by high bgs.... or low ones.

 

[bulkbiker]

The best you can... is your natural number without intervention. I would have thought.
Aiming for bordering hypos or hypo levels as you agree is too low. Because of a degree of fluctuation in everyone's levels then hypos are present if anyone deliberately has average 4s. That's the nature of diabetes. There has to be some lower numbers and higher to average 4.
Why deliberately aim for a risk of hypos? Is that safe?

But how can we "aim" for FBG when, as we all know, it's the least controllable number. Hypo's don't come into it if there is no blood glucose medication being used. 4's are not hypoglycaemic they are most likely "normal".

 

[ickihun]

So not being in 4s isn't a failure or you being not attentive or not conquering your diabetes risks.

I read recently that having too tight bg levels can be damaging... to the body. Maybe mind too, I'm not sure if it was hinting that too.

Its great to have goals. Maintenance is a huge goal. Maintenance of good BMI and good glucose levels consistantly is the best achievement. Whatever life throws at you.

Acceptance is a goal too.
Heartbreak over not achieving more than your body is capable off is a goal too but not advisable.
Healthy bg levels shouldnt be sniffed at. They are brilliant achievements. Why aim after that for hypo risking levels?
Can someone explain that to me, it's health benefits?

 

[bulkbiker]

I read recently that having too tight bg levels can be damaging..

if through over medication maybe..

Healthy bg levels shouldnt be sniffed at. They are brilliant achievements. Why aim after that for hypo risking levels?

Again how can you "aim" for low FBG levels they are what they are.. some people's are lower than others.. it's a fact.
4's are not hypos... please don't say that they are as it's misleading.

 

[PenguinMum]

I dont really understand the debate about whether or not we should aim for a lower level inside the safety net. Some here for various valid reasons are content with 6/7 which is safe and I wouldnt see anything wrong about that. I however am the sort of person who ideally would like to try to get further inside that safety net if I can while maintaining a lifestyle that suits me and is sustainable. Tbh I am hoping that might occur if I keep doing what I am currently doing. I would prefer not to lose much more weight though and thats my focus now.