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How Do I Lower My Bs

BRITGRAN

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
I was diagnosed Type 2 about 5 years ago , my BS's have been ok few blips and terrible stomach issues on Metformin including the slow release,so I refused to keep taking them..... I have taken Dapagliflozin for 3 months and my levels were slightly raised at my last check up so the nurse suggested I also take just one 500mg Metformin, I told her if I got an upset stomach I will stop taking it, within a couple of weeks it started again, so I stopped taking the Metformin. I cannot get my blood levels under 7.5 I eat low carb I don't eat wholemeal foods or any white food.... and no sugar, I tried porridge for breakfast on the advice of my DN and 2 hours later my reading was 14, any suggestions what I can do or is insulin inevitable
 
I was diagnosed Type 2 about 5 years ago , my BS's have been ok few blips and terrible stomach issues on Metformin including the slow release,so I refused to keep taking them..... I have taken Dapagliflozin for 3 months and my levels were slightly raised at my last check up so the nurse suggested I also take just one 500mg Metformin, I told her if I got an upset stomach I will stop taking it, within a couple of weeks it started again, so I stopped taking the Metformin. I cannot get my blood levels under 7.5 I eat low carb I don't eat wholemeal foods or any white food.... and no sugar, I tried porridge for breakfast on the advice of my DN and 2 hours later my reading was 14, any suggestions what I can do or is insulin inevitable
Can you tell us everything you ate yesterday please.
 
Hey @BRITGRAN welcome to the forum! I am tagging @daisy1 who will send you a very informative info "package" and you may find things in there that will help you tweak your diet even more. Sometimes carbs have a way of slipping in when we don't think so!

No, insulin is not inevitable.....there are many, many combinations of drugs that can be tried for T2 without using insulin.....best to research this and be prepared when you next see a health professional...also, so many, many factors affect our BSugars like stress, illness, exercise, even the heat wave that many of us are having right now....so it is a good idea to keep a food journal and test your blood sugars before you first bite of a meal and two hours after that first bite to get an idea of how certain foods are acting within your body....something may say "low carb" but it still could raise some people's blood sugar! I don't know if you test your sugars at home or not, but it is the most valuable tool you have in knowing what your body is really doing with the sugar in your system....oops! just read again your post, so I take it you are testing, maybe not often enough??

Anyway, hope you get it sorted out, but 7.5 is not that horrible and certainly shouldn't indicate insulin is the next option!! Even walking for 15 - 20 minutes after your meals can have a positive effect on lowering your numbers.....Blessings/L
 
I'm sorry things aren't going as well as you'd like them to. Could you give us an example of the typical things you eat in a day? Maybe we can help you tweak things some more.
Good luck, stay well!
 
I tried porridge for breakfast on the advice of my DN and 2 hours later my reading was 14, any suggestions what I can do or is insulin inevitable

:D sounds like a bad suggestion to me.

Have you tried bacons, avocado and eggs?
 
@BRITGRAN

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it interesting and useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
Can you tell us everything you ate yesterday please.
I very rarely eat breakfast yesterday I had a piece of homemade crustless cheese and onion quiche at lunchtime then a prawns in marie rose sauce with lettuce tomato and cucumber with one slice of wholemeal bread and butter for dinner at around 8pm I had another piece of quiche, I drink coffee with semi skimmed milk and flavoured water no added sugar, the piece of bread was a treat :)
 
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I'm sorry things aren't going as well as you'd like them to. Could you give us an example of the typical things you eat in a day? Maybe we can help you tweak things some more.
Good luck, stay well!
I don't eat breakfast very often mostly I eat boiled eggs, cheese, chicken, bacon, low carb sausages, a naked burger with bacon and cheese with vegetables. in this hot weather salads with beetroot , coleslaw , tuna, and the usual lettuce cucumber tomatoes sometimes a couple of small new potatoes with mayo, also occasionally berries with creme fraiche, I drink coffee with skimmed milk and flavoured water no added sugar also an occasional glass of Baileys......I'm not perfect and have been known to have a biscuit or a couple of cream crackers with a piece of cheese
 
I very rarely eat breakfast yesterday I had a piece of homemade cheese and onion quiche at lunchtime then a prawns in marie rose sauce with lettuce tomato and cucumber with one slice of wholemeal bread and butter for dinner at around 8pm I had another piece of quiche, I drink coffee with semi skimmed milk and flavoured water no added sugar, the piece of bread was a treat :)

The pastry in quiche is full of carbs and carbs raise your blood sugar levels (bread is like eating sugar so you probably want to cut this out too)! However you say it was homemade is this by you? If you love to cook you are already onto a winner as there are low carb versions of EVERYTHING! The biggest hurdle when going low carb (IMO) is finding pre prepared low carb food as supermarkets put unnecessary carbs into everything pre-prepared!

If you put into google "low carb or keto recipes" you will find TONS of ideas and recipes. The key to lowering your blood glucose is reducing the amount of carbs you consume. Good luck!
 
I don't eat breakfast very often mostly I eat boiled eggs, cheese, chicken, bacon, low carb sausages, a naked burger with bacon and cheese with vegetables. in this hot weather salads with beetroot , coleslaw , tuna, and the usual lettuce cucumber tomatoes sometimes a couple of small new potatoes with mayo, also occasionally berries with creme fraiche, I drink coffee with skimmed milk and flavoured water no added sugar also an occasional glass of Baileys......I'm not perfect and have been known to have a biscuit or a couple of cream crackers with a piece of cheese

I thought I was low carb a few years ago the only carbs I was having on a regular basis coming from the milk in my coffee or tea.. when I swapped milk for cream it made a big difference.. it also tastes way better!
 
The pastry in quiche is full of carbs and carbs raise your blood sugar levels (bread is like eating sugar so you probably want to cut this out too)! However you say it was homemade is this by you? If you love to cook you are already onto a winner as there are low carb versions of EVERYTHING! The biggest hurdle when going low carb (IMO) is finding pre prepared low carb food as supermarkets put unnecessary carbs into everything pre-prepared!

If you put into google "low carb or keto recipes" you will find TONS of ideas and recipes. The key to lowering your blood glucose is reducing the amount of carbs you consume. Good luck!

I'm sorry I meant to say crustless quiche and yes it's homemade,
 
I thought I was low carb a few years ago the only carbs I was having on a regular basis coming from the milk in my coffee or tea.. when I swapped milk for cream it made a big difference.. it also tastes way better!
That's interesting and I will try it, I drink a lot of milk, thank you
 
I very rarely eat breakfast yesterday I had a piece of homemade crustless cheese and onion quiche at lunchtime then a prawns in marie rose sauce with lettuce tomato and cucumber with one slice of wholemeal bread and butter for dinner at around 8pm I had another piece of quiche, I drink coffee with semi skimmed milk and flavoured water no added sugar, the piece of bread was a treat :)
The skinnier the milk the worse it is for diabetics. I take double cream in coffee and I have a very rare cup of black tea.

Are you checking the labels on the mayo and Marie rose? The bread wouldn't have helped.

Was there any flour in the quiche?
 
The skinnier the milk the worse it is for diabetics. I take double cream in coffee and I have a very rare cup of black tea.

Are you checking the labels on the mayo and Marie rose? The bread wouldn't have helped.

Was there any flour in the quiche?
I always check labels and no flour in the quiche just cheese eggs onion and milk, I had no idea about the milk I drink a lot so will change that today, thank you
 
That's interesting and I will try it, I drink a lot of milk, thank you

I now only drink milk when I'm going low.. I always drink double cream but learned only yesterday this was the right thing to do as single cream contains carbs! You seem to be doing pretty well otherwise so you may find by cutting out the milk you will not have to change anything else!
 
I’ve checked all the foods you’ve mentioned in this thread, how about cutting out the milk, biscuits, crackers, Baileys, beetroot and bread completely for a while, they are all higher carbs things, and find some low carb treats instead.
Here’s a tasty looking page from Diet Dr:
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/recipes/desserts/chocolate
Watch your blood sugars carefully doing this, in case of the levels going too low.
 
I’ve checked all the foods you’ve mentioned in this thread, how about cutting out the milk, biscuits, crackers, Baileys, beetroot and bread completely for a while, they are all higher carbs things, and find some low carb treats instead.
Here’s a tasty looking page from Diet Dr:
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/recipes/desserts/chocolate
Watch your blood sugars carefully doing this, in case of the levels going too low.

Give up Baileys :eek: !!!! :)
 
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