Type 2 Shock At New Hba1c Level

[Guzzler]

Are you saying that surviving on mainly fats is healthy? Only the people in the Arctic regions live on fats. They have evolved to do so. We haven't. We are omnivorous so varied diet is the healthy option for us as species.
If you are left with the impression that I don't eat healthy, you are wrong. I don't eat just croissants. I eat veg, meat, bread, rice, pulses, pasta, fish, oils, fruit, etc. I don't overeat on any and I don't restrict myself. I don't feel cravings, so there is no need to pig out either.

Again, what you think and how you manage your diabetes is your choice. But I've read enough posts in favour of the LCHF without anyone presenting another option.

All humans are the same species. Yes, we are omnivorous but the modern western diet hasn't left us time enough to evolve into being able to adapt to such a high carb, high unhealthy fat diet.
I suggest you do not have cravings because you are still eating the foods that create the cravings in the first place. Yes, when we start a LCHF/KETO lifestyle cravings for high carb foods can be problematic but adjustment comes in a surprisingly short time. And what is your case against high healthy fats in the diet? You are commenting on a site that promotes a Low Carb Programme which has helped thousands of people improve their health and which has won awards for a diet that the NHS has finally endorsed as a treatment that GPs can now offer alongside medications and insulin.

 

[Antje77]

Just to even things up. Insulin is DANGEROUS. I have friends on it who quite regularly get a blue light visit to A&E to sort them out because they got things wrong. I have on many occasions had to rescue my guitarist colleague from a hypo and watch him writhing on the floor fitting and frothing at the mouth. It is not a pleasant experience for either of us.

I understand the feeling you want to warn that insulin has it's downsides (especially after the story of someone happily eating 2 croissants with nutella. I'm on insulin but I'm definitely not able to dose for that without being high for hours). It definitely has. However, trying to scare people with horror stories might not be the best way. I'm sorry your friends and you had to go through those episodes, but many people on insulin never have this happen to them.

 

[Sani Thomas]

Just to even things up. Insulin is DANGEROUS. I have friends on it who quite regularly get a blue light visit to A&E to sort them out because they got things wrong. I have on many occasions had to rescue my guitarist colleague from a hypo and watch him writhing on the floor fitting and frothing at the mouth. It is not a pleasant experience for either of us. I am glad you are managing your condition so well, but not everybody is such an expert as you obviously are, By the way what is your HbA1c running at? Mine is 41 and I am following an LC way of life. My family is also following LC, and benefitting from it.

I get the distinct impression that you do not understamd how LC diets work otherwise you would not be so condescending.

I was in a similar position to you a while back. My HbA1c was 99 and rising, and I was regularly getting post prandials above 32 mmol/l My GP and many T1D here said the end game for me was TOWII just like you are doing here. But I found this website in time, and turned my life around. My bgl levels rarely go above 7 mmol/l or drop below 4, My life is strrssful for other reasons, and not because of my way of life now. My GP has classed me as Normal in my notes

I fear your attitude here could lead inexperienced newcomers down a path that may not suit them, just like the NICE guidelines say, but there are alternatives for T2D at least. The diet I am following (I use the term diet. loosely) is also being recommended for treating severe epilepsy, heart protection, some cancers, and Parkinsons and Alzheimers.sufferers. These are recommendations by leading specialists in the healthcare profession, so it is becoming recognised as an acceptable treatment

Even though I was a suitable case for ID treatment I have proven that my pancreas is still functioning fine, and I am able now to eat a higher carb intake than I was a few years back. You choose to ignore that T2D is largely due to insulin resistance, which can be reversed by diet. Beta cell burnout cannot (yet) You only need insulin of your beta cells have stopped working enough to maintain homeostasis.

My advise here to newly diagnosed T2D is to try LC, and if your bgl drops as a result, then you still have some beta cell capability and going onto insulin too early will make your condition worse through hyperinulaemia. Its worth a try IMHO

See, you are the condescending one. You are the one disregarding NICE summarily. You are the one "giving advice". You are the one assuming that I have not read or understood the diets, the mechanics of the disease, etc.
You people remind me of the vegan lobby. Nothing else is good except your way.
In any treatment there are risks.in yours or in mine.

I'm glad your way works for you. It doesn't work for me. And because I understand how personal it is I don't advise.i just provide another point of view.
As for the hypos, in T1 there are people with no hypo sensitivity. They may suddenly lapse in hypo without warning. This is totally different issue. And it also has a solution. So see, nothing is just black and white.

 

[Sani Thomas]

All humans are the same species. Yes, we are omnivorous but the modern western diet hasn't left us time enough to evolve into being able to adapt to such a high carb, high unhealthy fat diet.
I suggest you do not have cravings because you are still eating the foods that create the cravings in the first place. Yes, when we start a LCHF/KETO lifestyle cravings for high carb foods can be problematic but adjustment comes in a surprisingly short time. And what is your case against high healthy fats in the diet? You are commenting on a site that promotes a Low Carb Programme which has helped thousands of people improve their health and which has won awards for a diet that the NHS has finally endorsed as a treatment that GPs can now offer alongside medications and insulin.

The only carb that was unnatural in our diets, historically and evolutionarily is sugar. Carbs from grains, veg and fruit have always in human diets. You might expect lived in the country of plenty. I haven't. I lived in a country where you had to ration your food supplies and you cooked from basics, not using ready meals or sauces.
Also, humans through history adapted and evolved depending on where they settled. At our latitudes humans were lucky to have various food sources, which incidentally contained carbs. Not sugars but carbs.
As I keep saying, you choose what is right for you. I'm not trying to convince you. I am putting a different point of view. This is my last post, as I feel your hostility and because I don't want to spend the Saturday typing for a discussion that will never come to satisfactory end. So good night and good luck. But please, make sure when people ask questions, let them know that there are other options too, without foisting on them your views. You must be objective and let them make their minds alone.

 

[Oldvatr]

See, you are the condescending one. You are the one disregarding NICE summarily. You are the one "giving advice". You are the one assuming that I have not read or understood the diets, the mechanics of the disease, etc.
You people remind me of the vegan lobby. Nothing else is good except your way.
In any treatment there are risks.in yours or in mine.

I'm glad your way works for you. It doesn't work for me. And because I understand how personal it is I don't advise.i just provide another point of view.
As for the hypos, in T1 there are people with no hypo sensitivity. They may suddenly lapse in hypo without warning. This is totally different issue. And it also has a solution. So see, nothing is just black and white.

The IMHO at the end of that section makes it clear that I too am expressing an opinion, just like you.

 

[KK123]

All I would add is that surely this site is for people with diabetes (any kind) to give THEIR opinions on what works for them. Unless the 'advice' being given is truly dangerous then what does it matter?

 

[Sani Thomas]

The IMHO at the end of that section makes it clear that I too am expressing an opinion, just like you.

How do you square the use of "advise" with only expressing opinion?

Anyway, see my previous post. Goodnight and best of luck.

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[Guzzler]

The only carb that was unnatural in our diets, historically and evolutionarily is sugar. Carbs from grains, veg and fruit have always in human diets. You might expect lived in the country of plenty. I haven't. I lived in a country where you had to ration your food supplies and you cooked from basics, not using ready meals or sauces.
Also, humans through history adapted and evolved depending on where they settled. At our latitudes humans were lucky to have various food sources, which incidentally contained carbs. Not sugars but carbs.
As I keep saying, you choose what is right for you. I'm not trying to convince you. I am putting a different point of view. This is my last post, as I feel your hostility and because I don't want to spend the Saturday typing for a discussion that will never come to satisfactory end. So good night and good luck. But please, make sure when people ask questions, let them know that there are other options too, without foisting on them your views. You must be objective and let them make their minds alone.

Not foisting. You described my regime as dangerous, I felt a repost was needed. I asked that you give a fair comment on the downsides of your regime and I now feel that you are perhaps on the defensive which was never my intention. By the way, you did not address the problem I brought up of hyperinsulinaemia, this was in response to your (paraphrased?) comment that everyone should be put on insulin at the beginning. I find this a very strange idea when it is said that hyperinsulinaemia plus hyperglycaemia is such a dangerous position to be in.

 

[Pipp]

What a way for a thread to go!
Rather than pick my way through with my moderator eraser I remind everyone that you are signed up to and should adhere to Community ethos and forum rules here as squabbling posts do nothing to assist the OP.

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/community-ethos-forum-rules.50278/

All relevant, but perhaps Section A1 -A7 would be a good place to start.

 

[Antje77]

What a way for a thread to go!
Rather than pick my way through with my moderator eraser I remind everyone that you are signed up to and should adhere to Community ethos and forum rules here as squabbling posts do nothing to assist the OP.

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/community-ethos-forum-rules.50278/

All relevant, but perhaps Section A1 -A7 would be a good place to start.

I'm thinking some moderating might be called for. This thread is started by someone who's looking for first steps to take in tackling their diabetes. They also express concern of doing 'something wrong' on this forum. I'm afraid the things that are said on this thread might turn @Nicel away from the forum.
I'm sorry, @Nicel , we're usually a pretty nice bunch of people. But we're only people and sometimes get carried away. Just bad luck it happened on your thread, nothing to do with you. Keep up the good work and just start another thread for your next question!

 

[Diakat]

Ok guys, I am going to lock this thread. @Nicel has another going on the Newcastle and various options have been expressed here showing the different ways we all manage.