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Help With Low Carb Please

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Hi everyone

Please redirect me if I posted in the wrong place.
I have been type 2 for 13 years now and managed well with diet alone until the first pregnancy 6 years ago. Then again I was put on insulin on my other pregnancy 3 years ago and haven’t come off it yet. I take 2x metformin twice a day as well.
Nothing but fasting from lunchtime on brings my glucose levels down. So the last few years I just gave up. I ate anything and everything I wanted. Unsurprisingly I had a hbac of 8.6. DN recommend reducing carbs to a minimum like a lot you already do. But here is my dilemma.
I fall asleep after lunch. Without fail about one hour after having lunch I get so drowsy and can’t help but fall asleep. It takes me 1 to 3 hours to wake up again.
This even happened on no carb lunches. Like yesterday I had Bolognese with mince and Brokkoli. Today it was 2 Avocados with a pepper and one onion and some bacon.
Now I am left to wonder if protein spikes my insulin response and how likely that is? What would I eat instead? In an ideal world I wouldn’t eat meat, but I really am lost here.
 
I know that quite a few of the type ones say they need to take protein into account.
I sort of side step the problem by eating when I get up and again before I go to bed.
What sort of BG levels do you see before and after eating?
Do you calculate the amounts of carbs in your 'no carb' lunches, or other meals?
 
No calculating. I only am on Levemir and Metformin because novorapid made me hypo too often.
My fasting levels are 9-10 at the moment, so I am rather too scared to test again, especially before my “nap time”. I really should test more.
 
Hello, and welcome on the forum! I'm tagging @daisy1 for you, who'll provide you with some very useful information on this thread.
My fasting levels are 9-10 at the moment, so I am rather too scared to test again, especially before my “nap time”. I really should test more.
Agree, test more. A test is not about 'failing' or 'being good', it's just a way to see where we can make different choices in the future!
novorapid made me hypo too often.
Did you count carbs for your novorapid? Did you test before eating and 2 hours after to see if yor dose was right for you? Both are pretty much necessary to work with a quick acting insulin like novorapid.
Good luck, hope things will change for the better soon for you!
 
Hiya. Regarding the novorapid I think it was a delayed reaction. My 1h would still be a bit high (following advice of testing after 1h during pregnancy, no one ever told me to test after 2h). My hypos would be 4 hours down the line, usually just before my next meal.
I stopped testing so much because I wouldn’t be able to do much anyway. I only recently started to eat right again.
 
You are taking insulin, don't calculate your carbs and don't test your blood glucose.
Well - that took my breath away.
Read again. Flaschenpost is on a fixed dose of long acting at the moment and no meal time insulin so counting carbs won't do a lot in dosing management.
Besides, it is their first post. Why not try to help instead of only telling they are doing something wrong? How would they know what to do if no one helps find the answers ?
 
@Flaschenpost85

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Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

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On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

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Controlling your carbs

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Which foods are raising your bg? Do you need to lose weight? You do need to test more often to find out what is going on and keep records of what you have eaten. Then you can begin to see what is going on, and what has simply become a habit - it may be that your afternoon nap is simply a habit that your body has slipped into. After a couple of weeks of keeping notes you will begin to see patterns. There are times when we all want to not test, fearing a high reading but sometimes that fear is unfounded or the result is not as bad as we thought it should be, so always test and keep a note of the result.
 
Thank you all for your replies and especially for that info.

I haven’t really been taught how to calculate my carbs for insulin? My DN helped me adjust my insulin during my pregnancies and I worked it out by trial and obvious error after the second pregnancy by myself.

How do I calculate carbs on long acting insulin? How do I get my gp to prescribe me more strips? I only get one box per month now, so i can only test 2x a day for part of the month.

I do need to lose weight, ideally about 15kg. I’m also in levothyroxin for hypothyroidism.
Regarding carbs, from history I remember everything except one small slice seedy rye bread would send my sugars flying high.

I think I am just feeling stuck and need to relearn everything.
 
Read again. Flaschenpost is on a fixed dose of long acting at the moment and no meal time insulin so counting carbs won't do a lot in dosing management.
Besides, it is their first post. Why not try to help instead of only telling they are doing something wrong? How would they know what to do if no one helps find the answers ?
Er - yes - I know - but why do you think that Flaschenpost is doing something wrong? When someone is so badly advised by their HCPs it really does take my breath away.
 
Thank you all for your replies and especially for that info.

I haven’t really been taught how to calculate my carbs for insulin? My DN helped me adjust my insulin during my pregnancies and I worked it out by trial and obvious error after the second pregnancy by myself.

How do I calculate carbs on long acting insulin? How do I get my gp to prescribe me more strips? I only get one box per month now, so i can only test 2x a day for part of the month.

I do need to lose weight, ideally about 15kg. I’m also in levothyroxin for hypothyroidism.
Regarding carbs, from history I remember everything except one small slice seedy rye bread would send my sugars flying high.

I think I am just feeling stuck and need to relearn everything.
I'm on thyroid replacement too - as long as it is at the correct level then it should not really impact on your diabetes.
I think it is really wrong that you have not been given any sort of help with managing your blood glucose - which is presumably why you are experiencing the falling asleep after lunch.
Perhaps going back to the GP and requesting help would be the first thing to do - do you even know if your BG is high or low?
 
Er - yes - I know - but why do you think that Flaschenpost is doing something wrong? When someone is so badly advised by their HCPs it really does take my breath away.
I fully agree with this statement. Your first answer didn't mention HCPs , it only stated that not testing etc took your breath away . Glad we agree!
 
I think it is really wrong that you have not been given any sort of help with managing your blood glucose - which is presumably why you are experiencing the falling asleep after lunch.
Perhaps going back to the GP and requesting help would be the first thing to do - do you even know if your BG is high or low?

I know it is high. Fasting levels on a good day is 6.2, on a bad one over 10. Over the last week when my levels did come down to “normal levels” I feel hypo symptoms. Upon testing it is still 7.5 but I feel shaky.
I am due a blood test soon, will come back to here with that and after more regular testing.
 
After being generally high normal can give the sensation of a hypo - but I just had another sharp intake of breath moment - are you driving?
You should be supplied with testing meter and enough strips etc. so you are on the road legally. I don't think that the rules differentiate at all, you need to test if you are on any sort of insulin.
 
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