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karen762

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Hi all

I see I have a lot of reading and catching up to do but apologies if similar has been asked before.

I have been on Metformin for a year or so but my doctor doesn't seem too interested in monitoring me and didn't tell me to self monitor. After a recent minor op the nurse told me to get my meds increased and test regularly as glucose was so high and not reducing so I bought a meter.

They doubled the Metformin (1g twice a day) and I was also put on Gliclazide (40mg once a day) and just ended up unable to do anything as I spent most of the day shaking and ill.

If my glucose goes under 5 or 6 I just feel really ill and have to lie down yet everything I read suggests I should be lower than that.

I have stopped the Gliclazide as I couldn't carry on feeling that shaky and ill but cannot get a doctors appointment for a month to discuss alternatives.

Any advice or do peoples "feeling normal" levels differ by that much?

Many thanks
 
Hi Kareen 762 welcome to the forum. Tagging @daisy1 for the welcome pack.

Most of us follow the low carb high fat way of eating to bring our glucose down. Have a read of the forum and ask as many questions as you like.
 
Hiya I have a couple of slight problems in that I am very intolerant to egg and wheat and, after having my gall bladder out, can't eat too much high fat. I have been on fairly successful low carb diets in the past but now too much meat etc makes me sick so am having quite a lot of problems in that area :-(
 
If my glucose goes under 5 or 6 I just feel really ill and have to lie down yet everything I read suggests I should be lower than that.
That's normal, and called a false hypo. Your body has gotten used to higher numbers, thus perceives lower numbers as too low. Let your body get used to the lower numbers again. Personally, I'd eat a very small bite of a slice of bread or an apple or such, as not to push my number way up but just nudge them up so much I don't feel rotten. I figure the body gets used to close to normal numbers a bit slower.
Also, I wouldn't rule out side effects from medication, unless you only feel that way when under 5 or 6.
after having my gall bladder out, can't eat too much high fat.
Have you been told this or have you actually tried? I don't have a gall-bladder anymore and I'm fine with fatty foods, no matter what they told me after the operation.
 
That's normal, and called a false hypo. Your body has gotten used to higher numbers, thus perceives lower numbers as too low. Let your body get used to the lower numbers again. Personally, I'd eat a very small bite of a slice of bread or an apple or such, as not to push my number way up but just nudge them up so much I don't feel rotten. I figure the body gets used to close to normal numbers a bit slower.
Also, I wouldn't rule out side effects from medication, unless you only feel that way when under 5 or 6.

Have you been told this or have you actually tried? I don't have a gall-bladder anymore and I'm fine with fatty foods, no matter what they told me after the operation.

I only feel that way under 5 or 6 but only since I started the Gliclazide although it still happens since I stopped taking the Gliclazide. Have been trying out some new non-wheat non-egg breakfasts (oats, corn, fruit type things) and they seem to have been way too carby so is it the rate of change in glucose doing it or the low level? Have been looking quite hard for an answer but haven't found it yet.

The fatty foods are definite - had gall bladder out over three years ago and too much fat causes nausea and what feels like adrenaline rushes the following day. I love meat and fatty food but just can't eat it for more than about three days before that happens.
 
How about yoghurt or kippers or sausages for breakfast?
 
How about yoghurt or kippers or sausages for breakfast?

Never seen yoghurt as a breakfast food really but may try it. Am fairly sausaged out to be honest as I have them for lunch quite often but might try a switch to breakfast. Not that keen on kippers though.
 
@karen762

Hello Karen and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful and helps you with your problem. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Hi and welcome @karen762 When I was diagnosed I could not imagine eating yoghurt regularly for breakfast then remembered that the Swiss did before it was popular in UK. Some 'Greek style' yoghurt with a handful of berries keeps me going all morning. By making my own yoghurt I keep the price down and then can choose different flavoured yoghurts with a little care about the carb content.
When I buy ready prepared foods I check the packet for the number of carbs per 100 g and the number of portions that the pack is supposed to provide, it can be quite revealing. There are lots of choices for you, but take your time and decide which is the way to go for you. Many of us have found that to keep medication at a minimum we reduced carbs (not trying to eliminate them), ate plenty of above ground veg and if hungry added some healthy fats such as olives or an oily fish, a small piece of cheese or a square of high percentage chocolate. I was surprised to find that it worked for me, and I do not rattle with the tablets I take, I have been lucky enough to avoid medication altogether. By keeping a check on what I was eating, exercise and the effect on blood sugars I found a way that suited me. When my work colleagues commented I also found that I was losing weight without any difficulty, it came off slowly and I could slow and keep it steady when I wanted with a few small adjustments. It also meant that I could have occasional 'treat' days (Christmas and Birthday). I can not claim to feel much better than I used to feel because I never felt ill but I do seem to regularly surprise my colleagues with my energy. The important thing is to find what works for you, it is an interesting study of your own body and the way that it functions.
 
I have @Rachox porridge every morning, it’s the first of my new weird foods that I’ve become slightly addicted to! I now miss it when I stay away and not being as organised as @Rachox I haven’t got to the point of taking a pan and ingredients away with me!

My name is Rachox and I’m a coconut porridgeholic! :joyful::hilarious:
 
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