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robwyorks

Newbie
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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
Hi all..firstly a big thank you for all the advice you've posted and thank god for this forum!

My background in a nutshell...newly diagnosed type 2 ( a reading of 53 whatever that means), 52 yrs old and 79 KG - I went to the GP 7 weeks ago with stress and anxiety and have since been diagnosed with hypertsion, diabtees type 2, something wrong with my eyes and anxiety!... Just been sacked from work for long term sickness (2 months)

I have seen the Diabetes nurse but my GP says dont bother taking any measurements it will be ok...waiting to be refrered to the clinic for dietary advice.

Done all the basics I found on here - cut out sugar, 3 meals a day, Carbs no more than 90 etc but I've no other suppport - GP says come back in 30 days, no need to worry yet I've lost my job, got the **** of blood pressure tablets and diet to worry about. Being honest I have good days that I can focus on a diet thats less than 90 a day and other days (like today) when I dont know where to start...I feel so lost, its like the person I was is sinking away and I feel so so sad...

Can anybody offer advice please?

Thank you x
 
Welcome to the forum, tagging @daisy1 for the welcome pack.

53 will be your HbA1c score. 48 and over is diabetic. You should have two tests to confirm.

Lots of things can raise blood sugars including stress.

Read around the forum and ask questions.

Breakfast, nothing wrong with bacon and eggs.
 
Hi and welcome,

You need to buy a blood glucose meter as this is the best and quickest way of guiding you with your food choices. Without one you are working blind. In my opinion they are essential if you want to control this condition. Your nurse was wrong to imply that self testing isn't necessary. It is necessary.

Next, you should ask for a print out of your blood test results so you know exactly which tests you had, what the levels were, and what the standard ranges are. It isn't just blood glucose that is important, it is also your cholesterol and kidney and liver functions. You are entitled to these print outs. If you live in England you can also ask if your surgery puts test results on line as they are supposed to, and how to register for this.

The HbA1c test you had is a sort of average of your blood glucose levels over the previous 2 to 3 months. It is the test used to diagnose diabetes. 53 is not a drastic measurement. Many on this forum were twice that amount. However, it does need addressing, and the best way to do this is by diet and some additional exercise (and medication if that becomes necessary). The exercise can be a nice brisk 20 minute walk twice a day, it doesn't have to be strenuous. You could do worse than to read the dietdoctor website and the food lists.
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/60-seconds
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/foods#foodlist

Have a good read round the forums and try to learn as much as you can about diabetes.
 
Hi all..firstly a big thank you for all the advice you've posted and thank god for this forum!

My background in a nutshell...newly diagnosed type 2 ( a reading of 53 whatever that means), 52 yrs old and 79 KG - I went to the GP 7 weeks ago with stress and anxiety and have since been diagnosed with hypertsion, diabtees type 2, something wrong with my eyes and anxiety!... Just been sacked from work for long term sickness (2 months)

I have seen the Diabetes nurse but my GP says dont bother taking any measurements it will be ok...waiting to be refrered to the clinic for dietary advice.

Done all the basics I found on here - cut out sugar, 3 meals a day, Carbs no more than 90 etc but I've no other suppport - GP says come back in 30 days, no need to worry yet I've lost my job, got the **** of blood pressure tablets and diet to worry about. Being honest I have good days that I can focus on a diet thats less than 90 a day and other days (like today) when I dont know where to start...I feel so lost, its like the person I was is sinking away and I feel so so sad...

Can anybody offer advice please?

Thank you x
Hey @robwyorks, and welcome to the forum!
So you got hit with a bunch of diagnosis, besides losing your job. Yeah, that would cause stress and up your bloodglucose levels as well... Besides that, getting a diagnosis (or two, or three...) in one go would kickstart grief.... So the sadness you're feeling is absolutely normal after all you've been through. Not only that, but high bloodsugars also influence mood and anxiety. It gets that much worse when you're high. So everything is feeding into everything, it seems. Time to break the cycle, methinks. And the first/easiest thing to tackle, believe it or not, is the T2. The rest will follow.

You've had a read around here, obviously, so you already know there's quite a bunch of us living with T2 and managing, one way or another. So you already know it can be done. The amount of carbs you'r still taking in might be right for you, or it might not be: It's different for everyone, depending on levels of insulin-resistance, production, liver dumps etc... A meter can tell you how you're doing. Test before a meal and 2 hours after the first bite to see where you're at. If it goes up more than 2.0 mmol/l, then the meal was carbier than you can process back out. I started out at 85 grams, then went to 40, and then, eventually, ended up following the Ketogenic diet, which is 20 grams of carbs or less. I was fine and in the non-diabetic range on 40 grams, but calculating all the time was getting the better of me (I kept getting it wrong), and I got stuck with my weight (I was 85 while I should ideally be 65/70 kilo's), meaning I had to do more if I wanted to fix my fatty liver. For me, going for foods with as few carbs as possible made life a whole lot easier. Less counting, because I automatically go for the lowest possible carb foods, more enjoying of what's on my plate. Meals usually look like this, and as I skip breakfast I alternate between the breakfast and lunch option for lunch: 3 eggs with bacon, cheese, maybe some mushrooms or cherry tomatoes. Lunch: leafy greens with tuna, capers, olives, avocado and mayo. Dinner, meat/poulty or fish with above ground veggies like cauliflower- or broccoli rice with some more bacon and cheese tossed in, and whatever herbs tickle my fancy. For snacks I opt for cheese, olives, nuts (walnuts, pecans), and extra dark chocolate. Or maybe a celery stick with hummus, which is stupidly good, I've discovered. central to all this: ENJOY your food. If you're eating low carb meals you're hating, you won't be able to stick with it. Food should be a little party in your mouth, not a prison sentence.

If your bloodglucose goes down, the anxiety'll probably not be as bad as it was. I've always jumped at my own shadow, but since starting keto I've been better, less tense, much, much less panic attacks, and when I do get them, they don't last as long. These past 6 months I've done things I never thought I would do. (Like, for instance, be active on a forum with a bunch of strangers. Social interaction is a nightmare for me, usually.) My cholesterol is much better (I'm off the statins since going LCHF), and my bloodpressure was already low to begin with, but from what I understand it can help with that too. Dunno what's up with your eyes, but was it diabetic retinopathy? That's caused by high bloodsugars, so that's another reason to want to tackle it.

I'm not saying you should go keto, but do check your bloodsugars to find out if 90 grams of carbs is where you need to be to feel better. Normally I just advise LCHF, especially to start with, but just thought I'd mention keto to be thorough. And if you check dietdoctor.com you'll find a load of recipies to help you out. And if you're out and about and want to eat and don't know where to go... McD's or BK don't even blink if you order their burgers without a bun. (It's the difference between eating 5 grams of carbs or around 40 grams in one burger.). There are options. And one more thing: It won't always feel this way. It's overwhelming and too much and scary and everything all in one go right now, but it really, truly, will not always feel this way. I can't help with the job, but with everything else.... Tackling diet will make you feel better. it may take a little while (and if you do go for keto, there'll be a few flu-ish days as your body transitions from burning carbs for feuel to burning fats), but eventually.... It will get better. There's hope yet.
 
@robwyorks

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions you like and someone will help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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