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Type 2 Overweight and just new to Type 2 diebetes

Where you can’t read a label on something,like if you go out and eat
A lot of carb values are part of the nutiritional information on commercial restaurant and supermarket websites. There are also useful web based and smartphone apps where you can log your daily carbs with databases of nutritional information. After a while of using them I can estimate carbs well enough for my needs.

Some member keep a diary of meals, carbs and meter readings, others just cut out the obvious major carbs eg sugar, bread, rice, pasta, flour etc
 
What would you classify as high carbs?I’m guessing pizza and fries,things like that? Where you can’t read a label on something,like if you go out and eat

Yes all grains (wheat - breads including pizza crust- toppings are usually fine, cereal, pasta), oats, barley (and beer), rice (probably the highest carb food). Starchy vegetables ie. potatoes, corn, sweet potatoes. (generally underground vegetables). Bananas and tropical fruits (pineapple, mango etc) and bananas. Be careful with other fruits too (lots of natural sugar in them), berries are OK. Many people also find dried beans, chickpeas and lentils spike them (testing helps with these.)

I second the recommendations for Diet Doctor's visual guides, they are tremendously helpful. Here's their dining out guide for restaurants. (I can post a more detailed one I wrote for Indian restaurants if you are interested.)
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/dining-out
 
I would have a different view on reducing chicken and steak, as I would increase these staples. Calories are secondary to carbs, as 400 grams of carbs are treated different by our bodies compared to 400 grams of protein / fat. Ask any questions you like, as there is a lot of misinformation about meat.

I will,thank you
 
Hi Larryr, thanks for the tag @Antje77 .
Welcome to the forum. I’m a similar age to you and was diagnosed with type 2 18 months ago. I was well overweight (officially obese) and had been for over 20 years. I had given upon dieting, low fat this and that, shakes, fruit diet, soup diet, you name it I’d tried them. My type 2 diagnosis was a blessing in disguise. I went low carb to get my blood sugars under control but that had the happy side effect of weight loss. To date I have lost over six stone without counting a single calorie and my HbA1c has been at a non diabetic level for over a year now.
If you could give us a little more info about yourself, if you are comfortable doing so it will help us guide you. Do you know your latest HbA1c? Do you take any meds? And do you monitor your bloods at home?

I’ll only see my family doctor on dec 17 and from their I guess I’ll be going to a diabetic dr
I’m really new,I go for a another blood test on the 15th.I have no medicine or testers yet,I’ll know more,I’m guessing,in a few weeks
 
Lucky you, you love meat! It's very low carb (and as others stated, forget about calories, they don't actually matter all that much). I stay under 20 grams of carbs a day, so hovering around 50 or less should be easy. For me, it's eggs, bacon, mushrooms, cheese in the morning (no toast or wraps!). Lunch a salad with a can of tuna, (in oil, not brine), olives, avocado, mayo, capers... Dinner meat or fish, and cauliflower rice or broccoli rice with cheese and even more bacon. Baaaacon! Want to snack? Square or two of extra dark chocolate, some cheese, olives, pork scratchings sound okay? Lost 25 kilo's in the last 2 years, while there's more messing with my metabolism than "just" T2, so it's entirely doable. Cholesterol is fine too, non-alcoholic liver disease is improving, so yeah.. It's not all as hopeless as you may think. Eggs. Meat. Above-ground veggies. Knock yourself out. (Skip potatoes, pasta, rice, cereal, corn, bread or anything made with flour, really. Starches aren't doing you any favours, as practically all carbs turn to glucose once ingested.)

There's hope for you yet. ;) But do get a meter, as it's so very helpful in seeing what certain foods do to your bloodglucose. (Before a meal and 2 hours after first bite shouldn't see an increase higher than 2.0 mmol/l)

That’s a great help!! Thank you!!
 
I will,thank you
Brilliant, asking would have saved me three quarters of a year of harder work than necessary (I was still eating oats and home made soda bread)
 
I’ll only see my family doctor on dec 17 and from their I guess I’ll be going to a diabetic dr
I’m really new,I go for a another blood test on the 15th.I have no medicine or testers yet,I’ll know more,I’m guessing,in a few weeks

Most doctors don't give monitors to Type 2s which IMHO a real shame because then you have no idea what foods are doing to you. Diet is the most important factor for managing Type 2.

You can buy your own at any pharmacy (I did). Tagging @Rachox who has information about low cost monitors - you are fortunate in the UK, those monitors and test strips are considerably cheaper than anything I can buy here (Canada).
 
Most doctors don't give monitors to Type 2s which IMHO a real shame because then you have no idea what foods are doing to you. Diet is the most important factor for managing Type 2.

You can buy your own at any pharmacy (I did). Tagging @Rachox who has information about low cost monitors - you are fortunate in the UK, those monitors and test strips are considerably cheaper than anything I can buy here (Canada).

I’m in Canada too,so I’ll look around,thanks
 
@Larryr
Hello Larry and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.

Thank you for all this information!!!
 
Welcome @Larryr As others have said we are all different so it is really important that you get yourself a monitor and use it before meals and 2 hours after first bite, the difference should be no more than 2. Keep a note of what you have eaten and you soon find the foods that raise your blood glucose. Check to see how expensive the test strips are, they work out as the most expensive part. You may find that foods containing grain flour are difficult, it is surprising how many foods have cornflour added for thickening. Don't worry about losing weight, I didn't realise I was losing weight until a colleague at work asked. I found it continues to drop slowly and steadily over a period of months and I adjusted my diet by increasing fats (people joke about my need for a 'cheese fix') and that steadied my weight. If you view it as an intriguing journey into finding out more about your body and making it as good as it can be.

Keep us posted with any questions and your progress. Good luck
 
I’m in Canada too,so I’ll look around,thanks
Hi Larry.
I’m Canada as well. Doctors here won’t give you a meter.
I have never paid for meter.
Accu-chec
Contourone
I can’t seem to put in a link this morning. Both these companies will send you a free meter in Canada. I think Contourone you have to buy strips first. But Accu-Chec you don’t. I have this one and use it with the Mysugr App. It downloads via blue tooth and you get a free up grade.
If you have insurance through work they usually pay about 60-80% of the strips costs. They are expensive but worth it.
 
I’m in Canada too,so I’ll look around,thanks

Most pharmacies here in Canada will give you a meter free (it's from the company that makes the test strips) if you buy 100 strips (it's the strips that cost). I got my kit free (meter, lancet - the thing you prick your finer with and case free) when I bought my strips at Shopper's Drug Mart (an Abbott Freestyle Lite).

If you are in Ontario, Trillium (the govt drug plan for low income people) will pay for 100 strips per year (minus deductible based on income) for diet only Type 2s if your doctor writes a prescription. (I asked my doctor to write a prescription after she saw my followup hba1c). Type 2s who take medication or insulin get more test strips covered.
 
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A lot of what I’ve seen is showing lots of good things to help with the diabetes but a lot this I don’t think will help with trying to lose weight.I know moderation is very helpful but even moderation with this won’t help me,right now anyways,and good ideas or anything,lol,sorry,I know I’m probably grasping at air but that’s all I got
Thanks

Larry, I was diagnosed T2 at the end of April this year I was 158kg @6’3”
I cut out crisps, chocolate, biscuits, bread , spuds and rice.
I have a full English each morning. 2 sausage 2 bacon 2 eggs mushrooms and tomatoes
I eat mountains of bbq food, chicken and any meat I like.
I have curries with no rice... just extra curry
I snack on snaffling pig pork scratching . Peanuts , cheese, pickled eggs
I make sugar free jelly, with berries and high protein ice cream or Greek yogurt.
I have lost so much weight without trying
I’m now 112 kg and my bloods are down in the low 30s now

It’s hard to go around the supermarket at first looking for low carb / low sugar items. But it does get better.
Keep at it mate
 
A lot of what I’ve seen is showing lots of good things to help with the diabetes but a lot this I don’t think will help with trying to lose weight.I know moderation is very helpful but even moderation with this won’t help me,right now anyways,and good ideas or anything,lol,sorry,I know I’m probably grasping at air but that’s all I got
Thanks
Thanks,I’ve stopped eating bread,with my lunch I’ve gone to a wrap,90 calories each,I have 2 a day,no more potatoes or fries,I’m ok with that part,but I know theirs calories in chicken and steak so will have to cut down on that,I’ve been reading to go with 6 ounces at dinner but I’m used to 10 or 12,minimum!!
Hi

i got my first hint of a sugar problem about 18 mths ago, peeing dry throat... ... i suspected what the issues was... but had it checked... doc said i was very high fasting like 8%... .. i was determined not to do medicine and said lets try a diet and exercise... ihad this under 6% with 6 weeks and have kept to my diet which is very simple zero sugar.. i eat bread rice etc upped protein a bit and got my weight from 102 kg to 88kg.. and the weight just fell off when i stopped eating sugar... in fact i need ot watch it because it will continue down if i dont eat properly .. im now at 5.2% fasting... feel great... i would not say im cured but i am cured of sugar .. some of us will need medicine but do not allow this to keep you sugar up.. i was drinking 3 to 4 cans of softdrink per day and this probably the main cause .. i like my weight feels good and i do moderate and not crazy exercise
 
The 200 grams of net carbs would be a reason for feeling hungry and would hinder weight loss and diabetes control. Like you I want a lot of food. I removed carbs, increased good fats (cheese, avocado, full fat yogurt, nuts), then I pulled back a little the fats and increased protein as I weight train (suggest barbell squats, deadlift, bench press as staples in preference to cardio).



i would agree with this, a tweak to diet, reduce potatoes etc increase other veges like pumpkin etc and yes nuts etc.. i think i got this sorted by eliminating sugar and fruit juice in fact any thing that not whole food, and by reducing weight this helped but i made no particular effort to do .. it just happened HOWEVER this may not work for everyone and every case unique..... good luck with it all and happy to discuss and offer comments
 
Hi

i got my first hint of a sugar problem about 18 mths ago, peeing dry throat... ... i suspected what the issues was... but had it checked... doc said i was very high fasting like 8%... .. i was determined not to do medicine and said lets try a diet and exercise... ihad this under 6% with 6 weeks and have kept to my diet which is very simple zero sugar.. i eat bread rice etc upped protein a bit and got my weight from 102 kg to 88kg.. and the weight just fell off when i stopped eating sugar... in fact i need ot watch it because it will continue down if i dont eat properly .. im now at 5.2% fasting... feel great... i would not say im cured but i am cured of sugar .. some of us will need medicine but do not allow this to keep you sugar up.. i was drinking 3 to 4 cans of softdrink per day and this probably the main cause .. i like my weight feels good and i do moderate and not crazy exercise

Thank you for this
 
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