Honey Diabetes and Heart

[hankjam]

How long would you be able to last on 10-20g of carbs per day? Let's say you lose 2 pounds a week on this diet and then eventually, for example, after a year, you will lose all your weight, all your muscles, everything except for bones. Is that not right?

I would suggest that's a tad pessimistic. With enough fat and protein it's really not a problem for the last four years and counting. I eat a lot of fish, various meats, cream with everything, cheese and yogurt and saurkraut. The small amount of carbs I do eat come from leafy veg.
My average weight since Feb-15 has been 71.3 with a cv 1.3% n=113.

 

[Dr Snoddy]

Hi, I am not aware of any research that shows that honey is good for cardiovascular health. Perhaps it is the assumption that if you are going to have sugar anyway then at least honey would supply small quantities of some other nutrients.
Some types of honey e.g. Manuka honey from New Zealand do show verifiable antibiotic type activity in laboratory tests. However, this varies from batch to batch and is not guaranteed. This is why this honey is sold as a food not a drug. There is also no guarantee of this effect if the honey is swallowed as opposed to being applied to a wound.
Personally I find honey intensely sweet and I avoid it rather than raise blood sugar levels and set off uncontrolled insulin responses. In terms of carbohydrate honey is just not worth it.

 

[Robbity]

How long have you been going on 16 g of carbs per day for? Does it make you lose weight at incredibly high speeds or is your weight stable on 16 g of carbs per day?

It's not a given that you'll automatically lose weight on very few or no carbs - you're using (or should be!) fats for energy and as long as you are actually eating enough, fatty food your body has absolutely no need at all to go plundering its stored fat. Low carb/ketogenic diets are definitely not purely for weight loss, for many T2 and pre- diabetics they're primarily a means of managing our glucose levels.

Robbity

 

[Klpville]

do you have any links to this information please?

I have this info jotted down but I cannot seem to find any links about it for references. I'll try to look it up for you.

 

[Guzzler]

Remember that with every cup of tea with honey you will likely have an insulin response as well as the possibility of a rise in bg levels. Some people can have an insulin response even with artificial sweeteners.
The fewer insulin responses per day the better imo.

 

[Member496333]

Hmmm.. perfectly possible in theory. How about for real? There are a lot of things possible theoretically but when it comes down to real life situations a lot of these theories appear to be ineligible and inapplicable. I am not an expert of course but to exclude all the carbs from your meals for good looks a bit too harsh for me. That would mean no fruits and no vegetables at all as they all contain carbs. I guess you can eat meat and fish only but don't you think you will turn into a lion or a tiger after let's say 10 years of this type of a diet?

To clarify, I meant that it’s possible to avoid all carbs without ill effect, but it’s quite difficult to do so on a practical level. Note also that just because it’s possible doesn’t mean anyone has to try. Personal choice and all that.

 

[Member496333]

How long would you be able to last on 10-20g of carbs per day? Let's say you lose 2 pounds a week on this diet and then eventually, for example, after a year, you will lose all your weight, all your muscles, everything except for bones. Is that not right?

I gained 2kg in ketosis and have stayed there ever since. So no

 

[Klpville]

It's not a given that you'll automatically lose weight on very few or no carbs - you're using fats for energy and as long as you are actually eating enough, fatty food your body has absolutely no need at all to go plundering its stored fat. Low carb/krtogenic diets are definitely not sinmply forweight loss, for us they're primarily a meansofmanaging glucosde levels.

I have always thought that losing weight has never been a panacea from all the trouble and diseases... For example I am not overweight, have never been, I would even say I am kinda skinny and I have no fat to spare at all. That means that my body will start "burning" my muscles if I do not eat enough fats and protein.

 

[Krystyna23040]

How long would you be able to last on 10-20g of carbs per day? Let's say you lose 2 pounds a week on this diet and then eventually, for example, after a year, you will lose all your weight, all your muscles, everything except for bones. Is that not right?

Very sadly you would not necessarily lose 2 pounds a week just by going under 20g carbs - or at least I don't. If you provide enough fuel through fat and protein your body never has to touch its fat stores for fuel and definitely does not burn muscle either. I have been 20g carbs and under for 1 year and I know that I can lose weight with 20g carbs but only if I keep total calories between 1500 and 1800, I maintain weight between 1900 to 2100 calories and add to my fat stores with 2500 calories plus and that is still keeping to 20g carbs and under.

I know this because I meticulously weigh my food and log it. I do love charts and find it fascinating to log everything (sad isn't it).

 

[bulkbiker]

How long would you be able to last on 10-20g of carbs per day? Let's say you lose 2 pounds a week on this diet and then eventually, for example, after a year, you will lose all your weight, all your muscles, everything except for bones. Is that not right?

Well as my BMI is still 27 on meat only then no....

 

[briped]

How long have you been going on 16 g of carbs per day for?

I have been low carbing since late March 2018, and have lost a total of about 20kg. Not super impressed, but it's doing my bg levels a world of good. I've been recording my macros and doing strict keto since Jan 10th, and lost 3kg. Again, not the fastest loser, but I'm sure it has to do with my age (58) and the fact that I have a history of losing and gaining 35 kg+.

 

[Klpville]

I have been low carbing since late March 2018, and have lost a total of about 20kg. Not super impressed, but it's doing my bg levels a world of good. I've been recording my macros and doing strict keto since Jan 10th, and lost 3kg. Again, not the fastest loser, but I'm sure it has to do with my age (58) and the fact that I have a history of losing and gaining 35 kg+.

I see. Well, I cannot pretty much afford to lose anything as I have no fat to spare at all. I can perhaps try moderate carbing to see if it helps and I do not go dizzy and all as going either low or moderate carbs will make you lose weight anyway as far as I understand now. Any carbs diet in this case will not keep your weight the same will it?

 

[Klpville]

Well as my BMI is still 27 on meat only then no....

Interesting. Do you eat meat only? Meat for breakfast, meat for lunch, meat for dinner, etc. That is no fruits, no vegetables, nothing at all that contains carbs?

 

[Krystyna23040]

I see. Well, I cannot pretty much afford to lose anything as I have no fat to spare at all. I can perhaps try moderate carbing to see if it helps and I do not go dizzy and all as going either low or moderate carbs will make you lose weight anyway as far as I understand now. Any carbs diet in this case will not keep your weight the same will it?

I have found that if you don't want to lose weight on a low carb diet you just need to make sure that you eat more fat so your body has the fat for fuel.

 

[bulkbiker]

Interesting. Do you eat meat only? Meat for breakfast, meat for lunch, meat for dinner, etc. That is no fruits, no vegetables, nothing at all that contains carbs?

Don't eat breakfast ever but yes meat, eggs, fish, cheese with rarely a few raspberries or some high cocoa content chocolate so whilst its not true zero carb or carnivore its probably 95% carb free foods.

edit to add this year my average daily carb intake has been 7.6g mainly from cream and milk.

 

[briped]

Any carbs diet in this case will not keep your weight the same will it?

If you don't need to lose weight you just have to ad fats and proteins. For me to continue losing weight it's also necessary to stay below approx. 1300 cals. a day. I know that most say that it's not necessary to count calories, but it is for me.
So to lower your BS, but not your weight, low carb, but higher calorie intake, so more fat and to some extent, protein. Sorry, but it really is best to ditch the carbs.

 

[Klpville]

I have found that if you don't want to lose weight on a low carb diet you just need to make sure that you eat more fat so your body has the fat for fuel.

Right, thank you. Well, will have to research and find some real "fat" food with 0 carbs to eat.

 

[Klpville]

Well as my BMI is still 27 on meat only then no....

I have just checked my BMI out of curiosity. It's 24 so I am not underweight after all

 

[Member496333]

Also worth remembering that carbohydrate in and of itself has no nutritional value beyond pure fuel, whereas fat is an essential building block of life that we will die without.

 

[Resurgam]

Hello guys,

I would like to share with you some calculations I had to go through. It's not a secret that honey is very useful for people who have cardiovascular (heart) problems. Honey is the one of the well-known natural antibiotics as well. But how do you go about it when you're also diabetic or pre-diabetic?
Would appreciate any comments at all. Many thanks!

Honey is sugar - I very much doubt that sugar is good for heart problems - and honey as an antibiotic is for use externally, not swallowed.
If you are prediabetic, avoiding sugar is helpful, as is avoiding starchy foods, as eating low carb seems to restore normal metabolism by taking the pressure off systems which are not working well. Lucky type twos can remove high blood glucose readings, and get normal Hba1c and even see weightloss by avoiding high carbohydrate foods.