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Wot? HBA1c = 119!!!

I found the hospital food excellent during my recent stay........although perhaps I got spoilt because I also work there.....be sure that 'Diabetic Low Carb Diet' is on the whiteboard behind your bed and ask for the 'Alternative menu'.....you'll find vegan,halal and caribbean dishes on there that are tastier and healthier.....at the very least you'll be assured a vegetarian curry as an option?

They won't want a newly diagnosed T1 (potentially) on low carb. They need to understand your response to carbs in order to sort out insulin dosing. Bloods dropping too low too quickly is dangerous.
 
I found the hospital food excellent during my recent stay........although perhaps I got spoilt because I also work there.....be sure that 'Diabetic Low Carb Diet' is on the whiteboard behind your bed and ask for the 'Alternative menu'.....you'll find vegan,halal and caribbean dishes on there that are tastier and healthier.....at the very least you'll be assured a vegetarian curry as an option?

Hmmmm TraceyMac, I'm wondering if @Oldvatr knows of this off-piste, off general menu styleeeee of going about things. He's scheduled to be in dry dock for quite some time.
 
But is fibre included in that carb count? If the sites you looked at were American ones fibre certainly would be included. It has to be deducted to reach the actual carb amount. I still maintain that raw tomatoes are fine on a low carb and keto diet.
As with any low carb food, it can become high carb when eaten excessively. If your juicing tomatoes and your throwing in 4 or 5 at a time, and sometimes having more than one juice, then it ceases to be low carb.
 
They won't want a newly diagnosed T1 (potentially) on low carb. They need to understand your response to carbs in order to sort out insulin dosing. Bloods dropping too low too quickly is dangerous.


True enough.....didn't take in to account the potential for a T1 diagnosis
 
HI I'm new here just thought i would let you know that a couple of weeks ago i went to the surgery for my free MOT which included a blood test? I had previously had a MOT in 2016 and blood test result had me down then as pre-diabetic. Now this latest blood test has blown me away, it came back as confirmed type 2 with a HbA1c of 158! I was immediately put on 500mg Metformin three times a day and 40mg Gliclazide once a day without side effects so far. After a month of major changes to my diet and medication my current estimated HbA1c is around the 56 mark which is a tremendous improvement upon the starting figure. I was given a meter to monitor my sugar levels with a small supply of test strips and lancets I'm expected to self fund once they run out. I test three times per day before meals. I'm hopeful that i shall end the Gliclazide when remaining eight pills have gone with a view of reducing the Metformin if at all possible. for everybody's information i'm 5'10"tall and weigh 65kg with a 32" waist, my nurse says i'm not typical build and don't need to shed any weight which may make things interesting for me. I'm not particularly looking for help or advice, just introducing myself and I would like to say what a great and informative forum this is and i'm learning loads.
Well done to all, thank you.
 
I found the hospital food excellent during my recent stay........although perhaps I got spoilt because I also work there.....be sure that 'Diabetic Low Carb Diet' is on the whiteboard behind your bed and ask for the 'Alternative menu'.....you'll find vegan,halal and caribbean dishes on there that are tastier and healthier.....at the very least you'll be assured a vegetarian curry as an option?
I have to step in with my experience here. I too am currently in hospital having been here for about 2 months for a non diabetic problem. It also shot my numbers into the 30's in A&E, so the shoved me on insulin drips. Wrong med in my case since I am very much a T2, and my body was already full of insulin of my own making, the adrenaline rush on being ill with a blue light entrance was actually preventing my body from using any insulin external or not, so the drip had absolutely zero effect on my sugars, I had to use yoga and meditation to stop the adrenaline and then they came down slowly. So for me this was proof that I was not in DKA (ketones 0.1 anyway) but deffo a T2 with functioning pancreas, but high insulin resistance, Dodgy way to find out but no obstinate doctors to persuade,

My experiance with hospital food is that it is very starchy with potatoes pasta and rice on every meal which I sometimes eat and the nurses were spoonfeeding me if I refused in the early days of my stay. I survived with high sugars as a result, but over time I have earned the right to not tick that box on the menu. They do offer vegetarian dishes as main couses, such as curry, mexican bean something, veggie lasagne, vegan meatballs, diabetic vegan icecream or vegan custard. sweetened juices and youhurt pots to name a few. And in all cases these are either very sugar laden, or spike me terribly. The vegan diabetic icecream has 30g added sugar per small pot, and the custard has 28g. Both of these have a long list of chemical ingredients, with seaweed extract being the only natural one. Obvious since we all know milk is a no no. Tasted foul and not repeated. As a T2 I find vegetarian food is a particular danger and raises my sugar levels higher than a chinese takeaway. My curries as an omnivore spike me about 1 or 2 mmol at the 2 hour PP, but a vegan chickpea currry I had a week or so ago gave me such high bgl that the hospital meter could not register it, my meter#1 read 31.5 and my#'2 meter said KETONES (ting ting). It was a blue code on the ward, and a trip to A&E again by crash trolley because I got palpitations and they thought I was having a heart attack. Nope, it was acute indegestion, but for me I will steer clear of those foods from now.

Yes they do offer biccies and cake, but those are obvious traps for a low carber, and not very appealing anyway. Say no.

The league of friends trolley gets wheeled around the wards, and that is just a kiddies dream - a sweetshop on wheels! Nothing of interest to a serious low carber, but possibly more inviting thsn the rich tea bics.

As it happens, I found out that I am actually a T2 in Remission, since I can actually tolerate carbs again. I am eating the normal hospital menu, but being careful in selecting the meal constituents. My fasting levels have dropped down to 5.7 mmol/l regularly, regardless of what the night time reading is. My high levels are higher than I want, but the doctors are happy, and this is with only a couple of Metformin for my cardio protection. I still spike to around 10 mmol/l after a bad choice such as a full punnet of grapes in one sitting, or a danish pastry or two in the canteen, But Hey I can do it now,
Hope you get yourself sorted soon, and also find your sweetspot where things start working better. I got to mine through low carbing, and I will go back to it when I get home.
 
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When I was on a diabetes ward for some time several years ago now, every one got biscuits and a milky drink at night except the only non diabetic on the ward, me. I was most put out but realize now that it was to prevent night time hypos.
 
I have to step in with my experience here. I too am currently in hospital having been here for about 2 months for a non diabetic problem. It also shot my numbers into the 30's in A&E, so the shoved me on insulin drips. Wrong med in my case since I am very much a T2, and my body was already full of insulin of my own making, the adrenaline rush on being ill with a blue light entrance was actually preventing my body from using any insulin external or not, so the drip had absolutely zero effect on my sugars, I had to use yoga and meditation to stop the adrenaline and then they came down slowly. So for me this was proof that I was not in DKA (ketones 0.1 anyway) but deffo a T2 with functioning pancreas, but high insulin resistance, Dodgy way to find out but no obstinate doctors to persuade,

My experiance with hospital food is that it is very starchy with potatoes pasta and rice on every meal which I sometimes eat and the nurses were spoonfeeding me if I refused in the early days of my stay. I survived with high sugars as a result, but over time I have earned the right to not tick that box on the menu. They do offer vegetarian dishes as main couses, such as curry, mexican bean something, veggie lasagne, vegan meatballs, diabetic vegan icecream or vegan custard. sweetened juices and youhurt pots to name a few. And in all cases these are either very sugar laden, or spike me terribly. The vegan diabetic icecream has 30g added sugar per small pot, and the custard has 28g. Both of these have a long list of chemical ingredients, with seaweed extract being the only natural one. Obvious since we all know milk is a no no. Tasted foul and not repeated. As a T2 I find vegetarian food is a particular danger and raises my sugar levels higher than a chinese takeaway. My curries as an omnivore spike me about 1 or 2 mmol at the 2 hour PP, but a vegan chickpea currry I had a week or so ago gave me such high bgl that the hospital meter could not register it, my meter#1 read 31.5 and my#'2 meter said KETONES (ting ting). It was a blue code on the ward, and a trip to A&E again by crash trolley because I got palpitations and they thought I was having a heart attack. Nope, it was acute indegestion, but for me I will steer clear of those foods from now.

Yes they do offer biccies and cake, but those are obvious traps for a low carber, and not very appealing anyway. Say no.

The league of friends trolley gets wheeled around the wards, and that is just a kiddies dream - a sweetshop on wheels! Nothing of interest to a serious low carber, but possibly more inviting thsn the rich tea bics.

As it happens, I found out that I am actually a T2 in Remission, since I can actually tolerate carbs again. I am eating the normal hospital menu, but being careful in selecting the meal constituents. My fasting levels have dropped down to 5.7 mmol/l regularly, regardless of what the night time reading is. My high levels are higher than I want, but the doctors are happy, and this is with only a couple of Metformin for my cardio protection. I still spike to around 10 mmol/l after a bad choice such as a full punnet of grapes in one sitting, or a danish pastry or two in the canteen, But Hey I can do it now,
Hope you get yourself sorted soon, and also find your sweetspot where things start working better. I got to mine through low carbing, and I will go back to it when I get home.
There is no rating appropriate. We need a lot :wideyed: button. I would be scrawling low carb diabetic across every **** menu every single day in protest. Other “choice” options are supported. Other “medical” options are supported. Why not yours? At the very least allow you to select whichever options already on the menu that suit best even if they fall in the “wrong” category or too many of one choice. You need someone smuggling in supplies. Actually no you need someone openly feeding you appropriate nutrition of your choice. They would not force a vegetarian or vegan to eat meat. You have far more justification not to eat carbs!

Ooo I hope I don’t get hospitalised again now I understand what passes my lips. They’ll evict me!
 
There is no rating appropriate. We need a lot :wideyed: button. I would be scrawling low carb diabetic across every **** menu every single day in protest. Other “choice” options are supported. Other “medical” options are supported. Why not yours? At the very least allow you to select whichever options already on the menu that suit best even if they fall in the “wrong” category or too many of one choice. You need someone smuggling in supplies. Actually no you need someone openly feeding you appropriate nutrition of your choice. They would not force a vegetarian or vegan to eat meat. You have far more justification not to eat carbs!

Ooo I hope I don’t get hospitalised again now I understand what passes my lips. They’ll evict me!
Considering what passed as hospital food 50 years ago, then it has certainly improved. I would have expected that they would have used the alternative menus option (which our menus do have) to provide for specialist meals for vegetarians, vegans, halal, gluten free, lactose intolerant, and yes, LC too,

According to our ward sister, the cost of the meals is charged to the ward budget, and selecting an alternative menu item doubles the cost to the ward, and has to be approved by Sister, I had to justify why on vegetarian wednesdays I cannot find a non vegetarian main course meal from standard menu and select instead from the alternate choices, and why this was continuing. I was on a different ward when I had my false MI from a vegan curry on the main menu, so she missed the drama I experienced, but she does empathise now I have explained it to her,

I did make a formal complaint through PALS, and I also talked to the Diabetes Consultant, but she says the diets are controlled by the nutritionists in the Dietetics facility and it is a healthy diet for all that meets tha current guidelines. It is considered to be suitable for diabetics. ALL Diabetics? Even the ice cream? Yes, all. End of, and no I still cannot use my own meter, apparently because they cannot have uncontrolled sharps on the wards. Only fully trained staff nurses can take bgl measurements as it is a specialised skill and I am not qualified it seems.
 
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