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Bichon Frise (Dog) just diagnosed today

I have no experience of diabetic pets, but I have been raw feeding my cats for years and would never go back to mainstream pet food.

This is where I currently get my cats’ meat, no affiliation, just find them good value and reliable. I get the ‘mix’ sausages, meat, bone and assorted wobbly bits. The kitties love them! For dogs you should add in some proper meaty bones, it’ll clean their teeth too.
https://www.kiezebrink.co.uk/
 
I don't see why he should be at the vets for 5 days unless there is something else going on.

Look up raw feeding. There are groups on facebook
Barf is one of them.

Ask the k9 forum whether they use human or animal meters.

Important to note that the US and UK use different measurements. You don't need to know now, but put it on the list.

Breathe. Pour a drink and have a snuggle.

Thank you for your time.. it’s more than appreciated
I’m going to be doing a little bit of googling (not much else to do while on lockdown in Sunny Wigan)
Thanks again
 
I have no experience of diabetic pets, but I have been raw feeding my cats for years and would never go back to mainstream pet food.

This is where I currently get my cats’ meat, no affiliation, just find them good value and reliable. I get the ‘mix’ sausages, meat, bone and assorted wobbly bits. The kitties love them! For dogs you should add in some proper meaty bones, it’ll clean their teeth too.
https://www.kiezebrink.co.uk/

Thank you for this. I will have a look at this shortly
Looks interesting this raw feeding. I’d never heard of this at all
 
Jeez.. I have so much to learn and research
What’s a meter and strips?
Sorry but this is so new
As you know by now, I don't have experience with diabetes in dogs but I can give you some basic information on diabetes for starters.
I hope this isn't too much information, it got rather long.

First of all, diabetes is a marathon, not a sprint! You can't learn everything at once, it will take time and that's perfectly all right. You'll also make mistakes and sometimes diabetes will simply do things you can't explain, no matter how much you know. Mistakes aren't bad, they're learning opportunities, and everyone dealing with diabetes makes them.
So please don't panic and take your time!

Diabetes in a nutshell:
- To use glucose for energy we need insulin. In healthy animals, including humans, the body nicely produces just the amount of insulin needed for the glucose in our bodies. Insulin is the stuff that transports glucose from our blood into our body cells, crudely spoken.

- Glucose comes from 2 sources:
1. Food. All carbohydrates (carbs) turn to glucose. So not only sugary stuff but things like bread, pasta, rice, and dog food as well. Some protein does too (which is more relevant for dogs because they're carnivores).
2. The liver. Even without carbs in food the liver makes it's own glucose, for which insulin (be it our own or injected insulin) is needed.

In diabetes something went wrong: either not enough insulin is produced or the body doesn't use it's insulin in the right way, so the insulin produced isn't enough to use up the glucose in the blood.

Too much glucose in the bloodstream is what makes us ill so we need to get it down.
Because there were 2 sources of glucose in the blood we can work on both to help get it down.
1. Food. This is were @xfieldok 's suggestion for raw food came from: All dog food has carbs which turn into glucose. Meat doesn't have carbs and it's a healthy food source for dogs.
2. The liver. Nothing to do about that one, so your dog will need injected insulin anyway to deal with this source of glucose. And also from the glucose formed from the protein in it's food.

The above is about how diabetes works. In real life it's more complicated than 'inject some insulin to cover the glucose' and be done with it.
The problem is that we need a certain amount of glucose in or blood to keep our brain functioning. Diabetes is a problem of too much glucose in the blood stream. But if we add insulin, too much of the glucose in our blood can be transported to the cells, leaving not enough to fuel our brain.

This is a hypo, or low blood sugar. It leads to confusion, problems with motor skills (wobbly uncertain walk, trouble hitting the right key on your computer), sometimes sudden aggression, unconsciousness if it drops too much.

So we want to avoid both high blood glucose and low bg.
The only way to find out how much insulin is needed for an individual is trying and seeing what happens. I expect that's the 5 days the vet was talking about: finding the right dose for your dog.

BG isn't static, it can rise and fall quickly, even in a matter of minutes. A good thing when you're having a hypo: eating something with sugar quickly solves the problem!
You'll need to have something on hand to feed your dog if he's going low.

That's where the meter and test strips come in. If you use a glucose meter regularly you can keep an eye on how Buzz is doing on a daily base with his insulin dose :)

I will be researching what food to give, as I have is twin to think of, and they normally do everything together.
Twin will probably like fresh meat as well :)
 
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As you know by now, I don't have experience with diabetes in dogs but I can give you some basic information on diabetes for starters.
I hope this isn't too much information, it got rather long.

First of all, diabetes is a marathon, not a sprint! You can't learn everything at once, it will take time and that's perfectly all right. You'll also make mistakes and sometimes diabetes will simply do things you can't explain, no matter how much you know. Mistakes aren't bad, they're learning opportunities, and everyone dealing with diabetes makes them.
So please don't panic and take your time!

Diabetes in a nutshell:
- To use glucose for energy we need insulin. In healthy animals, including humans, the body nicely produces just the amount of insulin needed for the glucose in our bodies. Insulin is the stuff that transports glucose from our blood into our body cells, crudely spoken.

- Glucose comes from 2 sources:
1. Food. All carbohydrates (carbs) turn to glucose. So not only sugary stuff but things like bread, pasta, rice, and dog food as well. Some protein does too (which is more relevant for dogs because they're carnivores).
2. The liver. Even without carbs in food the liver makes it's own glucose, for which insulin (be it our own or injected insulin) is needed.

In diabetes something went wrong: either not enough insulin is produced or the body doesn't use it's insulin in the right way, so the insulin produced isn't enough to use up the glucose in the blood.

Too much glucose in the bloodstream is what makes us ill so we need to get it down.
Because there were 2 sources of glucose in the blood we can work on both to help get it down.
1. Food. This is were @xfieldok 's suggestion for raw food came from: All dog food has carbs which turn into glucose. Meat doesn't have carbs and it's a healthy food source for dogs.
2. The liver. Nothing to do about that one, so your dog will need injected insulin anyway to deal with this source of glucose. And also from the glucose formed from the protein in it's food.

The above is about how diabetes works. In real life it's more complicated than 'inject some insulin to cover the glucose' and be done with it.
The problem is that we need a certain amount of glucose in or blood to keep our brain functioning. Diabetes is a problem of too much glucose in the blood stream. But if we add insulin, too much of the glucose in our blood can be transported to the cells, leaving not enough to fuel our brain.

This is a hypo, or low blood sugar. It lead to confusion, problems with motor skills (wobbly uncertain walk, hitting the right key on your computer), sometimes sudden aggression, unconsciousness if it drops too much.

So we want to avoid both high blood glucose and low bg.
The only way to find out how much insulin is needed for an individual is trying and seeing what happens. I expect that's the 5 days the vet was talking about: finding the right dose for your dog.

BG isn't static, it can rise and fall quickly, even in a matter of minutes. A good thing when you're having a hypo: eating something with sugar quickly solves the problem!
You'll need to have something on hand to feed your dog if he's going low.

That's where the meter and test strips come in. If you use a glucose meter regularly you can keep an eye on how Buzz is doing on a daily base with his insulin dose :)


Twin will probably like fresh meat as well :)

Thank you, this is really useful. I will need to read it a couple of times, but this will be of tremendous help.
Really appreciate all the help and advice that has been given so far, off everybody.
Thanks
Mike
 
@MikeB73

you have been given fab info above, so I won’t repeat it.

what I will say is that one of the reasons I feed my 3 dogs raw meaty dogfood that is very low in carbohydrate, and NEVER let grains pass their nozzles, is that dogs and cats are currently experiencing an ‘epidemic’ of diabetes that roughly matches the human diabetes ‘epidemic’, all neatly synchronised with the rise of processed pet foods stuffed full of carbohydrates, with lower protein than would be in their natural diet.

I am hoping that by feeding this way I extend their healthy lives and give them a comfortable old age.

Wishing you and Buzz all the very best. With love, care and good management, Buzz has many more years left with you.
 
@MikeB73 - So sorry to hear about poor Buzz's diabetes diagnosis. It's hard to bear isn't it when they end up seriously sick.

No more treats, you will be told. If you boil a chicken breast and shred it. Keep in a plastic bag in the freezer.
Just out of curiosity regarding treats - would things like dried duck pieces, tripe, or some of these Rocco meaty "tasties" be OK to use? All of which my (non-diabetic ) pair really love...:hungry::hungry:
 
@MikeB73 - So sorry to hear about poor Buzz's diabetes diagnosis. It's hard to bear isn't it when they end up seriously sick.


Just out of curiosity regarding treats - would things like dried duck pieces, tripe, or some of these Rocco meaty "tasties" be OK to use? All of which my (non-diabetic ) pair really love...:hungry::hungry:
As long as it 100 per cent meat and is part of a diabetic animals meal allowance, it is fine.
 
@MikeB73 - So sorry to hear about poor Buzz's diabetes diagnosis. It's hard to bear isn't it when they end up seriously sick.


Just out of curiosity regarding treats - would things like dried duck pieces, tripe, or some of these Rocco meaty "tasties" be OK to use? All of which my (non-diabetic ) pair really love...:hungry::hungry:
Just looked at Rocco. They can contain potato starch, but if they are non diabetic, they should be fine. If you look for online raw feeding firms (mine does delivery in Lancasshire) Have a look at the treats they offer. Pizzles (dried bulls dobedobedo) goes down a storm here. They also love dried duck necks. There are dried trips sticks which they love, but you have to keep an eye on them. A bit stinky poo!
 
There are dried trips sticks which they love, but you have to keep an eye on them. A bit stinky poo!
Just thought of something I heard a little while ago. A lady opened up her plastic bags at the shopping till, the smell was horrendous. She had left some tripe strips in the bag.. Everyone took several steps back useful in these days of social distancing :D
 
Just thought of something I heard a little while ago. A lady opened up her plastic bags at the shopping till, the smell was horrendous. She had left some tripe strips in the bag.. Everyone took several steps back useful in these days of social distancing :D
My dogs know the words "stinky tripe" and come running for it - it's the highlight of their day.:wideyed:
 
@MikeB73

you have been given fab info above, so I won’t repeat it.

what I will say is that one of the reasons I feed my 3 dogs raw meaty dogfood that is very low in carbohydrate, and NEVER let grains pass their nozzles, is that dogs and cats are currently experiencing an ‘epidemic’ of diabetes that roughly matches the human diabetes ‘epidemic’, all neatly synchronised with the rise of processed pet foods stuffed full of carbohydrates, with lower protein than would be in their natural diet.

I am hoping that by feeding this way I extend their healthy lives and give them a comfortable old age.

Wishing you and Buzz all the very best. With love, care and good management, Buzz has many more years left with you.

Thank you @Brunneria.. I have been researching this already..not sure that the wife is keen, but I wouldn’t ask her to eat it.
Fingers crossed we can have Buzz back soon and get him on a manageable programme
Thanks
 
Just thought of something I heard a little while ago. A lady opened up her plastic bags at the shopping till, the smell was horrendous. She had left some tripe strips in the bag.. Everyone took several steps back useful in these days of social distancing :D

Once again thank you @xfieldok
I will be back for more tips soon
 
Thank you @Brunneria.. I have been researching this already..not sure that the wife is keen, but I wouldn’t ask her to eat it.
Fingers crossed we can have Buzz back soon and get him on a manageable programme
Thanks

we have, over the years, used Wolf Tucker, natural Instinct and Nutriment. All UK brands.

most recently we have stuck to Nutriment.

the problem, of course, is cost, but a Bichon Frise wouldn’t be too expensive... I hope.
 
we have, over the years, used Wolf Tucker, natural Instinct and Nutriment. All UK brands.

most recently we have stuck to Nutriment.

the problem, of course, is cost, but a Bichon Frise wouldn’t be too expensive... I hope.

Thank you. I will look at this today
 
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