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Hi All. New to the forum, but not to the numbers game.

Blade Runner

Blade Runner

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Hi Y'all

Just saying hello as only just joined. I have supposedly type2 but it seems more like type 1 lately.

One thing i would like some advice on, and am not being clever or making a joke, but i really do wonder why if i eat some rubbish like Aldi chicken goujons/hash browns/beans and drink 1 or maybe 1.5 bottles of white wine in the evenings mixed with diet lemonade i feel as right as rain in the morning.

BUT, if i behave myself, eat rabbit food (Salad etc), drink nothing. Nest morning i feel like something the cat threw up.

Average reading in the morning 12.0 either way.??

I am sorry if you guys regard this as a really stupid question.
 
Because eating the rubbish is keeping your BS way high, which you may feel fine but high blood sugars may be doing invisible damage. when you eat the good stuff if it’s salad and protein and probably a lot less carbs your blood sugar may be coming down giving you a feeling of a false hypo, not at all dangerous and it’s what you wanting to be doing really and riding it out.
As for your fasting tests being the same, first thing in the morning fasting numbers are the last to come down so really that’s no guide.

lots of us here us a low carb or keto diet to manage our diabetes, have a good read Lund lots of great info, tips and support on the site - and welcome to the forum no one really wants to join :)

and by the way no question is stupid, feel free to ask anything, it’s how we learn
 
More to the point, what's happening to your blood glucose levels through the night? My levels always start rising around 0600 and continue to be high 'til lunchtime - this seems to be the well-known dawn phenomenon. Now are your 12s in the morning due to this dawn phenomenon, or has it been high all night, dropping to 12 by the time you test? Did you test before that feast and two hours after? Feeling rubbish the following day after making a healthier choice could be down to your body being acclimatised to your current diet - it will need time to adjust. This can take from a few days to a month for some people. I found I needed to increase my salt intake for the first week - a mug of vegetable stock when I felt lousy seemed to do the trick.

What makes you think you might be type 1 instead of type 2?
 
Blade Runner said:
Average reading in the morning 12.0 either way.??
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Do you test yourself? If so, what is your average afternoon reading?
A lot of type 2's have something called Dawn Phenomenon which in a nutshell means your blood sugar rises early in the morning before you wake. peaks around 9-10 and returns to normal after noon (depending on medication etc).
It could be you are seeing this. For me even fasting for 3 days does not really influence this morning peak.

Edit: Lobsang just beat me to it :-)
 
lovinglife said:
Because eating the rubbish is keeping your BS way high, which you may feel fine but high blood sugars may be doing invisible damage. when you eat the good stuff if it’s salad and protein and probably a lot less carbs your blood sugar may be coming down giving you a feeling of a false hypo, not at all dangerous and it’s what you wanting to be doing really and riding it out.
As for your fasting tests being the same, first thing in the morning fasting numbers are the last to come down so really that’s no guide.

lots of us here us a low carb or keto diet to manage our diabetes, have a good read Lund lots of great info, tips and support on the site - and welcome to the forum no one really wants to join :)

and by the way no question is stupid, feel free to ask anything, it’s how we learn
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Hi all, many thanks for the info. I think you have all hit it on the head especially Lovinglife. I just have to go through the riding it out period. I really do feel like cr$p though. As for testing it's not something i do that often. A touch of nueropathy makes my fingers very sensitive. I tried a few freestyle libre things and they were great, but i basically couldnt afford to keep them, and being type 2 the docs wouldnt supply them.

I dont do any night readings, and i guess basically i need to sart getting on the case of my diabetes, as bumbling along every day on 2x 500MG of metformin isnt doing the business. (Hence the type 1 question).
 
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Lobsang Tsultim said:
More to the point, what's happening to your blood glucose levels through the night? My levels always start rising around 0600 and continue to be high 'til lunchtime - this seems to be the well-known dawn phenomenon. Now are your 12s in the morning due to this dawn phenomenon, or has it been high all night, dropping to 12 by the time you test? Did you test before that feast and two hours after? Feeling rubbish the following day after making a healthier choice could be down to your body being acclimatised to your current diet - it will need time to adjust. This can take from a few days to a month for some people. I found I needed to increase my salt intake for the first week - a mug of vegetable stock when I felt lousy seemed to do the trick.

What makes you think you might be type 1 instead of type 2?
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Thanks for the info. I really have to get on the case more witth my readings. If anything though, my BS seems to go down first thing.
 
EBe66 said:
Do you test yourself? If so, what is your average afternoon reading?
A lot of type 2's have something called Dawn Phenomenon which in a nutshell means your blood sugar rises early in the morning before you wake. peaks around 9-10 and returns to normal after noon (depending on medication etc).
It could be you are seeing this. For me even fasting for 3 days does not really influence this morning peak.

Edit: Lobsang just beat me to it :)
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Thanks for the info. Not testing myself as often as i should. Average i guess of 12 in the morning, and 15 later on in the afternoon.
 
Sorry all, I didn't really do your replies and help justice. But thanks again for the help. As an engineer I really struggle with the complexities of diabetes. Things like how you can feel great with one BS reading, then feel totally cr%p with the same reading. Usually in engineering, if you do X you get Y. But I guess it's not possible to factor in the complexities of the human body.
 
catinahat said:
Wouldn't it be fantastic if we worked like that, unfortunately our bodies are much more complicated and unique to us.
If we do X, you might get Y, but I would more than likely get Z
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Tell me about it :)

In the evenings, if i do the wine thing as X...the only thing i can count on is P :happy:

PS, superb blog :pompous:
 
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@Blade Runner you are essentially putting yourself through cold turkey and withdrawal symptoms time and time again. No wonder you feel bad so often. Best to bite the bullet, decide to go low carb and stick with it. Might have a couple of weeks of feeling grotty (check out keto flu) but once you are through it, it's so worth doing. Weight loss is nice side effect, lower blood sugar means less peeing, all sorts of benefits even eating steak and cheese, with wine (just less of it so cheaper too!)
 
Missy64 said:
Sorry about screenshot above . Couldn't write it again as painful fingers due to arthritis
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Hi Missy,

Sorry to hear about your fingers. I can well imagine the pain can be excruciating, especially dealing with typing and fiddly things like blood testing strips.

Yup, same here, just left for years to get on with it. But in my case there wasn't much at first to report with my diabetes, and the proverbial rot hadn't set in.

Food wise for me anyway a big no no is white bread. Sugar goes ballistic with that, and brown bread doesn't go down well either, and basically anything with a red sugar content marker on the package. Have to admit though, asking my opinion compared to some of the people on here puts you on a dodgy wicket from the get go.

I would also say though your doctor should help you with the test strips and lancets (the needle things). I doesn't seem fair otherwise.
 
MrsA2 said:
@Blade Runner you are essentially putting yourself through cold turkey and withdrawal symptoms time and time again. No wonder you feel bad so often. Best to bite the bullet, decide to go low carb and stick with it. Might have a couple of weeks of feeling grotty (check out keto flu) but once you are through it, it's so worth doing. Weight loss is nice side effect, lower blood sugar means less peeing, all sorts of benefits even eating steak and cheese, with wine (just less of it so cheaper too!)
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Thanks for the advice MrsA. You are right. Am checking out "Hello Fresh" the order in food service. They seem to do all sorts. Not cheap, but what price health?. I basically have to do something, as the whole plot in my case is catching up to me with the nephropathy etc. Am noticing my vision is becoming blurred.

As my ever helpful younger brother said to me "Bro, you are lucky your not a race horse".

PS, wasn't "Keto Flu" in that Pink Panther movie with Herbert Lom? :)
 
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@Blade Runner , I’ve been using this company for a few weeks and the meals are all cooked and counted for you, they are lower calorie but you can add some carb free goodies if you like, I add veg sometimes or a salad. What I like about them is they are a small family business and the food is cooked fresh and has no nasties. Like you say these things are not cheap but for me these are the best value for money. I’m admitting something here as I’m a chef from a family of chefs so I am more than capable of cooking my own meals but I lost my way and got really stuck in a rut and these are keeping me on track, anyhow have a look.

https://www.ketokitchenlytham.co.uk...7312CMaufWbxptQzSlWKoI7ej_b0WXwxoCdGsQAvD_BwE
 
I eat twice a day, and have all the protein and fat I need (or so it seems) and add in plants and fungi for their taste texture and colour.
Sometimes I do have a fair sized salad, but not very often, but stir fry and other low carb veges are often in the menu for the day.
I eat at 12 hour intervals as I found that eating maybe 10 gm (but no more) of carbs with my first meal stopped my helpful liver dumping glucose, and after that I was set for the day.
 
lovinglife said:
@Blade Runner , I’ve been using this company for a few weeks and the meals are all cooked and counted for you, they are lower calorie but you can add some carb free goodies if you like, I add veg sometimes or a salad. What I like about them is they are a small family business and the food is cooked fresh and has no nasties. Like you say these things are not cheap but for me these are the best value for money. I’m admitting something here as I’m a chef from a family of chefs so I am more than capable of cooking my own meals but I lost my way and got really stuck in a rut and these are keeping me on track, anyhow have a look.

https://www.ketokitchenlytham.co.uk...7312CMaufWbxptQzSlWKoI7ej_b0WXwxoCdGsQAvD_BwE
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Thanks LL/Chef,

Really helpful and targeted. As mentioned i was looking at the Hello fresh stuff (not Just fresh). But this seems better. Gotta admit, i love a good fetta cheese.

Many thanks again, am perusing as i speak :)
 
Resurgam said:
I eat twice a day, and have all the protein and fat I need (or so it seems) and add in plants and fungi for their taste texture and colour.
Sometimes I do have a fair sized salad, but not very often, but stir fry and other low carb veges are often in the menu for the day.
I eat at 12 hour intervals as I found that eating maybe 10 gm (but no more) of carbs with my first meal stopped my helpful liver dumping glucose, and after that I was set for the day.
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Thanks again for the info.

I think i am basically doomed (Mr Mannering)
You guys are all so.. disciplined!.
I have always seemed to follow the words of the late great Oscar Wilde.."I can resist anything but temptation".
 
Blade Runner said:
Thanks again for the info.

I think i am basically doomed (Mr Mannering)
You guys are all so.. disciplined!.
I have always seemed to follow the words of the late great Oscar Wilde.."I can resist anything but temptation".
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Alas no - I have learned that I need to be cautious about what I have in the fridge or I can sabotage all my planning - but I have found that after at least partial success with diet my metabolism has recovered to some extent, so a whole punnet of strawberries in a day is not going to wreak havoc on my numbers nor my waistline.
One advantage of a low carb diet is that it reduced hunger. I used to eat lunch, but then found I was forgetting, realising that it was the middle of the afternoon and I'd not eaten a second time.
Some find that my breakfast of stirfry or mushrooms, or both with meat, or a fish salad is an odd choice, but before breakfast cereals were invented it was perfectly normal. My grandmother who died from complications of diabetes used to have fish for breakfast every day until she was put on insulin and would have a hypo every morning unless she ate cornflakes or rice crispies instead. My mum used to cook a pair of kippers - bought with their tails tied together with string. I used to get half a one. I can't smell kippers to this day without thinking of those years living with my father's parents.
 
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