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Those not doing low carb

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Sid, I've been viewing and posting for some years now and I know you have. I've rarely seen posts from low-carbers who have not lost weight or not maintained weight reduction. There have been a few including one recently but they remain few. There may be some who don't post but we will never know. Many who have to increase their meds as well, like I did, have found that both are needed. When I was on a three-tablet type regime and with ever increasing blood sugar I had to reduce carbs still further to try to control it. Increasing meds whilst low-carbing doesn't mean the low-carbing is failing merely that the diabetes is progressing.

AnnieC, ref you original point about some elderly people who don't surf the net etc and hence closely follow their HCP's, sometimes poor, advice, some of these will end-up with serious complications which could have been avoided with the right diet, meds and discipline. As the NHS often says, diabetes is a progressive disease and more so if the HCP's advice is not optimum.
 
Mongoose39uk said:
And once again the OP asks about alternatives and those managing quite well thank you are shouted down and told they are only "mild" diabetics.

Well no we are not all "MILD" some of us were quite the opposite.

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I'm a lowcarber and would not have posted on this thread if it were not for Sid Bonkers remarks about LCHF which I am completely at odds with.
 
Mongoose39uk said:
And once again the OP asks about alternatives and those managing quite well thank you are shouted down and told they are only "mild" diabetics.

Well no we are not all "MILD" some of us were quite the opposite.

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Hi Mongoose!

I've been following this thread all morning and as far as I can see everyone has been perfectly polite and civil to each other even when they have a different point of view. The only one that has been rude and tried to shout anyone down is you.

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Yep, op asked those who don't low carb what they do, responded what I do and now a debate way of original posters question. If you eat a healthy diet and oral meds don't work, next step insulin, not an option for me being type 1, but that would be the next step for anyone on oral meds after trying weight loss (if .eeded) low gi foods exercise etc. the oral meds may not work for example due to misdiagnosis of type, not strong enough whatever. Choice then to low carb using oral meds or maybe being able to come off them, a reduced dose or stronger oral meds or insulin. No right or wrong, just choice. The important things being diabetic are being healthy weight, good hba1cs coinciding with good daily levels alongside all the other health checks, but most importantly something sustainable and enjoyable for said individual. Not wrong to lower or reduce carbs, not wrong to use meds. All cases require individual assesment to the individual. other dietry requirements may need to be considered.

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To answer the OP

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Yes, you could get the impression on here that low carb is the only way forward. Some people have found it very helpful and feel very passionate about it.

I don't low carb, I have tried it and it is not for me. If you are happy to eat that way it is fine. Just not for me

At diagnosis I had a HbA1c of 14.9% I followed the advice given of loosing weight (about 5 stone) reducing carbs and changing those carbs to better GI ones. reduced fats and changed from ghee to olive oil for the cooking etc. I started on 500mg of Metformin twice a day

I am now on one Metformin 500mg once a day. my last HbA1c was 4.7%

I am also a lot more active, though I don't quite get so much exercise going for a pee every hour through the night.

How older people who have other health problems and lack of information and support manage, sorry I have no idea. I can say my dad also had T2 ate pretty much the same was way. Managed pretty well for 30 years after diagnosis without anything dropping of.
 
brett said:
Well.... I don't low carb have good hba1c, not overweight from eating carbs, and no other problems. controlled by getting basal correct, this is key to basal/bolus. Thing is if you are on reduced carbs and decide not to for a few days your basal will also need adjusting and vice-~versa. Once that sorted concentrate on bolus ratios. Also depending on quantity of carbs eaten at a meal ratios can vary. For eg, at lunch if I eat an 80 carb meal, my ratio would be 1\12, if I was to eat 150 carbs my ratio would be 1/10 to cope with the bigger meal. Other things to consider would be gi of meal, higher the gi, the quicker the sugar is in your blood, so I leave an appropriate time after bolusing before eating to give the insulin a head start. Time of day needs to be considered, as well as a host of other things such as activity levels, illness, etc.

Now, heres the good bit, the above would apply weather low carbing or not. So is your original question relevant to low carb or not. Not really as if using insulin, the individual requires to test,record,learn to use the right amount of insulin for their body, and lifestyle.
would I low carb, can honestly say I would never go to that extreme. Would I reduce carbs ~ if needed to loose weight wouldn't I automatically do that by reducing my calories. also to point out that someone who does not low carb does not mean they eat anything, everything in sight. I just choose a low fat diet, which involves eating in the main complex carbs,salad, veg, lean meat with the occasional treat that I now know how to insulate for as to not cause a spike.
Whatever you choose to do, .needs to sustainable in the long term and be safe to do so. Is any persons diet safe these days....


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No I am not on insulin I.m prediabetic T2
 
catherinecherub said:
I did write you a reply in your other topic, Confused about diets.

I have never used LC/HF and from my results, my G.I. diet works for me.

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/confused-about-diets.50173/#post-453018

It's all about finding a way of eating that suits you and your diabetes. Everyone can tell you what they do and how it works for them.
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Hi Catherine yes I do remember your other post and did think about the low GI. I do have a book that gives the tables for the GI index so will look at that a bit more
 
Daibell said:
Sid, I've been viewing and posting for some years now and I know you have. I've rarely seen posts from low-carbers who have not lost weight or not maintained weight reduction. There have been a few including one recently but they remain few. There may be some who don't post but we will never know. Many who have to increase their meds as well, like I did, have found that both are needed. When I was on a three-tablet type regime and with ever increasing blood sugar I had to reduce carbs still further to try to control it. Increasing meds whilst low-carbing doesn't mean the low-carbing is failing merely that the diabetes is progressing.

AnnieC, ref you original point about some elderly people who don't surf the net etc and hence closely follow their HCP's, sometimes poor, advice, some of these will end-up with serious complications which could have been avoided with the right diet, meds and discipline. As the NHS often says, diabetes is a progressive disease and more so if the HCP's advice is not optimum.
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Well I hope you don't tell elderly diabetic people that you might know that it would frighten them to death. Maybe some will have complications but I expect some low carbers will to but there must still be many many diabetics elderly and otherwise and who have been diabetic since long before the low carb diet came along and are still doing fine without complications.
What is the right diet there is obviously no such thing because people here prove you can control diabetes with other diets and they do what is best for them and that is what I wanted to know what other ways there were
 
What's low carb?

I eat a Mediterranean diet, but don't go for all the olive oil.

I also have drastically reduced my carbs where they don't suit me.

I eat low GL food.

I don't eat high fat, and tend to avoid saturated fats.

I'm eating portion controlled, or low calorie.

I'm trying to reduce my cholesterol.

I'd never go high fat, I'll take the meds I need to.

So where do I fit in?
Get down to a healthy weight, maintain a healthy diet, that you're happy with, check your bloods regularly, and take it from there.
 
Thanks to all of you who replied and are not low carbers I did begin to wonder if low carbing was the thing we should all be doing
I have read so much about it on this forum...it does dominate it.. but.now I know there are lots of ways to try and I will find out the best way for me
 
To be fair I have never know Andy12345 or Paul-1976 push low carb in a way that does not accept other ways work for other people. They post most enthusiastically about something they believe works for them. That is not the same way as some post.

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Mongoose39uk said:
To be fair I have never know Andy12345 or Paul-1976 push low carb in a way that does not accept other ways work for other people. They post most enthusiastically about something they believe works for them. That is not the same way as some post.

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I think then it's fair to accept others post enthusiastically about something that they believe nay be actively harmful in the long run, such as a high fat diet, providing creditable references are quoted in full for both sides?
A good debate will always increase the knowledge on here, either way.
 
It is refreshing to find that not everyone does not low carb, when I first joined this site I really thought that was what it was all about...
I have changed my diet, reduced my carbs, but now I know I need some carbs to keep well longer and keep my lower 6.1 bg levels from not droping that was my average hba1c test just tested...

I have reduced my fat.....cholestrol 2.4 from 7 one year ago, I do take statins....
Lost weight, increased exercise.....
Changed the way I eat,
Medium carbs I guess.....

We are all different......we must choose what is right for us as individuals
 
Mongoose39uk said:
To be fair I have never know Andy12345 or Paul-1976 push low carb in a way that does not accept other ways work for other people. They post most enthusiastically about something they believe works for them. That is not the same way as some post.

agree 100%, nothing wrong with saying what you do to control your diabetes, as I've said previous its the posts insinuating
Its the ONLY way that really xxxx me off, and then go on to say unless you do that its pressumed you have poor control and will have complications.



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