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VickyH

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Blackburn
Type of diabetes
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I do not have diabetes
Hi All,

Basically my Husband was diagnosed as diabetic on Christmas Eve. Which as you can imagine has been a manic time. From what we gather he is Type 2 at the moment, This is because most other things point to Type 1 but a low amount of keytones means the doctor wanted to see how things go and prescribed Metformin. However they don't seem to have agreed with him so back we went again this morning and now have the slow release version. Hoping these will be better for him.

I guess I joined to try and learn as much as I can to help him. This is something that most of his other family members have so he has had some dealings with it, but will have to learn more on a personal level now to.
 
Welcome.

I am sure there will be a big post of information from daisy along shortly
 
Hi Vicky and welcome to the forum:)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find this useful and that it will help you to help your husband. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 70,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi and welcome. If your husband has lost weight recently and is not much overweight then T1 becomes a possibility, otherwise if he is overweight then T2 is more likely. Follow Daisy's advice and get hold of a meter so you can adjust the carbs and find out what the effect is. Metformin won't have that much effect on blood sugar and is at it's best reducing insulin resistance if overweight. Diet is the key. Do come back with more questions
 
Hi and welcome. If your husband has lost weight recently and is not much overweight then T1 becomes a possibility, otherwise if he is overweight then T2 is more likely. Follow Daisy's advice and get hold of a meter so you can adjust the carbs and find out what the effect is. Metformin won't have that much effect on blood sugar and is at it's best reducing insulin resistance if overweight. Diet is the key. Do come back with more questions

He's been a little overweight for a few years now, However in the last 2 we both started to diet properly and lose some, however the last few months he has steadily lost weight without even trying ( if that makes sense) Seemed kind of weird since anything before that had to be worked hard at.

I'm reading up as much as I can so that I can adjust diets accordingly. I want to help him as much as I can through all this so all the tips here are much appriciated!
 
Hi Vicky
Your husbands diagnosis sounds very similar to mine.

Diagnosed T2 in sept 2013, BS levels 20+. BMI 22 and going down, age 58. Keystones present. prescribed Metformin and Gliclazide. Went on zero processed sugar and low carb diet, got my BS levels down to a level averaging 5.5 and stopped taking any medication. Requested a GAD test in November, came back very high 2,000+, doc says I will be T1 soon and on insulin, but presently LADA.

Initially Both GP and diabetic doc wanted me to continue with Metformin, even with 5.5 BS levels, however after the GAD test my diabetic dr advised that there was no benefit, and that I should continue as long as possible keeping my sugar levels low with diet alone and contact him again when I can no longer keep my sugar levels in single figures, when they will put me on insulin.

My advise, eliminate sugar and go on a low carb diet, check sugar levels 2 or 3 times per day, read the many forum posts on here to gain knowledge, especially the LADA. If you / your husband thinks (after reading the posts) he may be LADA then ask for a GAD test. I asked my GP for the test (it is an expensive test, £300ish, and you may have to justify it to your GP, backed up with knowledge gained from the forum / google etc. It takes about about 4 weeks to get the results back (from London).

My rule of thumb regarding keeping low sugar levels (your husbands may differ, but can only be checked / controlled by BS meter readings) is:-

Good; oatmeal, fish, plain yogurt, almonds, broccoli, spinach, mushrooms, peppers, eggs, beans, only grained bread (granary/w'grain/ seeded m'grain). Only Basmati rice, preferably brown. Only wholewheat pasta.

Bad; fruit juice, raisins, chips, white bread white rice & white pasta, cakes & pastries. No more than one portion of fruit at a time.

Exercise is very good, eating a large meal late at night is bad. A glass or two of alcohol with food is very good.

Hope this helps... Keep researching.

Ian




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Hi Vicky
Your husbands diagnosis sounds very similar to mine.

Diagnosed T2 in sept 2013, BS levels 20+. BMI 22 and going down, age 58. Keystones present. prescribed Metformin and Gliclazide. Went on zero processed sugar and low carb diet, got my BS levels down to a level averaging 5.5 and stopped taking any medication. Requested a GAD test in November, came back very high 2,000+, doc says I will be T1 soon and on insulin, but presently LADA.

Initially Both GP and diabetic doc wanted me to continue with Metformin, even with 5.5 BS levels, however after the GAD test my diabetic dr advised that there was no benefit, and that I should continue as long as possible keeping my sugar levels low with diet alone and contact him again when I can no longer keep my sugar levels in single figures, when they will put me on insulin.

My advise, eliminate sugar and go on a low carb diet, check sugar levels 2 or 3 times per day, read the many forum posts on here to gain knowledge, especially the LADA. If you / your husband thinks (after reading the posts) he may be LADA then ask for a GAD test. I asked my GP for the test (it is an expensive test, £300ish, and you may have to justify it to your GP, backed up with knowledge gained from the forum / google etc. It takes about about 4 weeks to get the results back (from London).

My rule of thumb regarding keeping low sugar levels (your husbands may differ, but can only be checked / controlled by BS meter readings) is:-

Good; oatmeal, fish, plain yogurt, almonds, broccoli, spinach, mushrooms, peppers, eggs, beans, only grained bread (granary/w'grain/ seeded m'grain). Only Basmati rice, preferably brown. Only wholewheat pasta.

Bad; fruit juice, raisins, chips, white bread white rice & white pasta, cakes & pastries. No more than one portion of fruit at a time.

Exercise is very good, eating a large meal late at night is bad. A glass or two of alcohol with food is very good.

Hope this helps... Keep researching.

Ian




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Sorry jumping in on the thread but may i ask why you asked for the gad test when you were seemingly well controlled t2?
 
Hi
I requested the GAD test after researching about LADA and T1/T2 on this forum and google.
Basically because I felt I did not tick the typical T1 or T2 boxes
Not overweight, slowly loosing weight and not being able to stop a slow weight reduction.
Ian


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ok thankyou, i was wondering as i had the keytones on dx and had lost a couple of stone before dx by accident, but i was still overweight, plus i have a daughter with db and dad had it so... but anyway i guess we will see in time :)
 
Well a few things have changed now since the original OP so will update.

Hubby now changed to Gliclazide as he the previous meds did not make him well at all. Currently on half a tablet twice a day. This was to be accompanied by a min of 4 times a day testing. (from our own gp)

Last week we saw the Diabetic nurse for the first time. She was quite pleased with how his bloods where looking and finally we got a lot of information that our own doctor had lacked on providing. She has told him to carry on with the half tablet daily as it seems to be controlling it well for now. With reviews as he goes along losing weight. As it is her belief that he could potentially come off the medication if he carries on losing the weight and keeps up the changes made to his diet. However she did inform us that it was likely he would need to use insulin in later life ( however positives are prolonging that happening so we are happy enough)

She also has told him that he can reduce the number of tests per day, She feels 1 or 2 times a day is more than enough and then to just test as needed. She also advised him to have a kebab or something after a night out (which is never often) which got a massive smile. This came about because she believed he had had a hypo during his sleep on a night where he had gone out. The bloods then rocketed up when tested later the next day.

The only thing that bothers me now ( if bother is the right word) is occasionally his bloods are 17+. Now sometimes we can put this down to just eating a certain food. Which is then removed from the diet. However sometimes this is before eating. Its just hard trying to find good info on this via the internet as there are so many conflicting things. Though we are being referred to a dietician sometime in the next few weeks so hoping that will help alot. We're also finding more and more things on here that are helping to.
 
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