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Is it true that people on a low carb diet are less hungry!? I'm contemplating a very low carb diet for weight loss and better control and I want to see if it's true as my appetite is like a horse!!!!!!!


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yes! because when you low carb, you dont need to count calories, so you effectively eat when your hungry as long as its low carb food, plus eating food containing fat satiates hunger so you feel the need to eat less often, its great! go for it!

edit: this is just my take on LCHF some folks do count other things like calories/protein etc but for me i only look at one thing.... carbs
 
Don't forget your healthy fats, avocado, butter, nuts, coconut oil etc. They keep you satiated.
 
The eating fat part is quite important not only does it help keep you feeling nice & full but when you get down to a very low carbohydrate intake, your body turns to using fat for its energy instead, so you should start really burning off all your excess weight.

As Andy has said all you need to do is be aware of carbohydrate values and eat accordingly.

It might take a little while for your body to accept your new diet, but if you feel hungry to start with just bear with it and don't even think of reverting back to comfort type food.

Robbity
 
Andy12345 said:
yes! because when you low carb, you dont need to count calories, so you effectively eat when your hungry as long as its low carb food, plus eating food containing fat satiates hunger so you feel the need to eat less often, its great! go for it!

edit: this is just my take on LCHF some folks do count other things like calories/protein etc but for me i only look at one thing.... carbs
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That's not true, you should count calories even when low carbing. It's because "burning" fats and proteins for energy takes more energy than burning carbs and glycogen that you you can take in more calories than a regular diet. But you can get fat as hell on a low carb diet if you ignore calories and just eat all day.

I even put on mass with a low carb bulk just last year while getting control of my sugars. Low carb simply allows you to create a larger caloric deficit due to the costly process of gluconeogenesis instead of glycolysis. You can only lose fat with a caloric deficit it doesn't happen any other way.
 
Omar101 said:
That's not true, you should count calories even when low carbing. It's because "burning" fats and proteins for energy takes more energy than burning carbs and glycogen that you you can take in more calories than a regular diet. But you can get fat as hell on a low carb diet if you ignore calories and just eat all day.

I even put on mass with a low carb bulk just last year while getting control of my sugars. Low carb simply allows you to create a larger caloric deficit due to the costly process of gluconeogenesis instead of glycolysis. You can only lose fat with a caloric deficit it doesn't happen any other way.
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Andy was not suggesting that people "just eat all day". He said "eat when you're hungry". There is a big difference.
 
Avocado Sevenfold said:
Andy was not suggesting that people "just eat all day". He said "eat when you're hungry". There is a big difference.
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Sure, but I've seen enough people get the wrong idea from posts similar to that. Just wanted to add clarification as their are huge misconceptions about low carb and weight loss in general.
 
Omar101 said:
That's not true, you should count calories even when low carbing. It's because "burning" fats and proteins for energy takes more energy than burning carbs and glycogen that you you can take in more calories than a regular diet. But you can get fat as hell on a low carb diet if you ignore calories and just eat all day.

I even put on mass with a low carb bulk just last year while getting control of my sugars. Low carb simply allows you to create a larger caloric deficit due to the costly process of gluconeogenesis instead of glycolysis. You can only lose fat with a caloric deficit it doesn't happen any other way.
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you mean you dont believe it to be correct? and in your experience it isnt correct, right? what i have experienced is different from your experience and also i have successfully followed the advice from this website

http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf

this is the very first few lines

Do you want to eat real food (as much as you like) and improve your health and weight? It may sound too good to be true, but LCHF (Low Carb, High Fat) is a method that has been used for 150 years. Now, modern science backs it up with proof that it works.

There is no weighing your food, no counting, no bizarre “meal replacements,” no pills. There is just real food and common sense

saying thats not true, is suggesting ive lied? i dont mind you diagreeing with me, but saying its not true is harsh
 
Andy12345 said:
you mean you dont believe it to be correct? and in your experience it isnt correct, right? what i have experienced is different from your experience and also i have successfully followed the advice from this website

http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf

this is the very first few lines

Do you want to eat real food (as much as you like) and improve your health and weight? It may sound too good to be true, but LCHF (Low Carb, High Fat) is a method that has been used for 150 years. Now, modern science backs it up with proof that it works.

There is no weighing your food, no counting, no bizarre “meal replacements,” no pills. There is just real food and common sense

saying thats not true, is suggesting ive lied? i dont mind you diagreeing with me, but saying its not true is harsh
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Nothing on that page disagrees with what I said, I know that low carb is more effective for losing weight and if you were to count the amount of calories you took in on low carb taking into account the higher caloric cost of using fat/protein for energy you would still find the reason for weightloss is simply the larger caloric deficit compared to high carb.

I didn't call you a "liar" I suggested you are mistaken, it's not true that you can eat as much as you want as long as its low carb, because of my diabetes and bodybuilding I've become very familiar with eating low carb, I've cut and bulked on low carb, lost weight and put on weight because I made sure to take in either a caloric deficit or surplus. How do you think I reached my Hba1c of 5.1%? by eating high carb?

EDIT: I've also posted on this forum numerous times about the benefits of eating lowcarb/high fat.
- When I was first diagnosed my cholesterol was dangerously high even though I never ate high fat foods etc. Most people have the misconception that fat causes heart disease when in fact having a higher on average blood sugar causes cardiovascular disease, anyhow I eat a high fat diet now and my cholesterol levels have been fantastic better than average in fact. So that heart foundation tick you see on many food products is pretty much bogus.
(http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract)
(http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1445-5994.1994.tb04444.x/abstract)
(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11584104)
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I've also noted the effects of saturated fats on increasing my insulin resistance and n-3 fatty acids on doing the opposite, I study metabolic biochemistry and other biomedical components currently and have an understanding of the metabolic pathways employed by the body during different dietary intakes.
 
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From my experience and that of others you will feel hungry at first.

But you have to push through that, and once through that you reach a point where you have no hunger. I've experienced that happy plateau, as have many others. Any cravings you still have after the true hunger goes are not hunger but rather psychological cravings, habits, temptations. At its worse it's like the later phases of quitting smoking. If you are lucky there will be no psychological cravings at all and you will be home free. Low carb eating is extremely enjoyable and positive.
 
errr nothing on that page disagrees with what you said?

Do you want to eat real food (as much as you like)

that seems to, wouldnt you say?


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"Eat all you want" - as a generalisation this is true. If you nearly remove sugar and carbs from the diet in a VLCD then there is nothing to help bypass the built in satiety limiters for fats and proteins. Yes, by effort of will (eg bodybuilding) or some kind of derangement, you could force down fats and proteins beyond the satiety limit. But this is so much harder than when those nutrients are mixed with carbs, that short circuit any satiety mechanism (due to the evolutionary scarcity of carbs). Let alone compared to eating a mostly carb diet. So for most reasonable definitions of "want", the statement is true. You can eat all you want on LCHF etc.

Omar I think you mentioned carb ranges above 150 gch per day and at this level there are still significant carbs available to overcome satiety limits of other nutrients.
 
Andy12345 said:
errr nothing on that page disagrees with what you said?

Do you want to eat real food (as much as you like)

that seems to, wouldnt you say?


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That page is written for people who have never counted a calorie in their life, a group I'm starting to realise you are in. That line" Do you want to eat real food (as much as you like)" is just a marketing gimmick as it were, it doesn't mean anything its just a buzz line to sell an idea. (not that low carb is a bad idea, it is in fact one I endorse)

People that don't overeat or are not trying to gain mass and just lose weight can probably get away with not counting a calorie but the weightloss is still caused by a caloric deficit.

You seem to think low carb is some magical thing which cannot be explained because you choose not to have an understanding of how it works...
 
I'm all for a low carb diet but I can't understand how eating as much as you want can aid weight loss. We all have our daily calorific number we need to maintain a certain weight. Example, 3000cals, if we exceed this regularly on meat, sausages, eggs or whatever, we will store excess as fat ? Unless someone can explain better ?
 
i think your missing my point

i eat when im hungry and never count calories, when i used to record my food on myfitnesspal it did count the calories and i rarely hit 2000 because eating fat means you dont get hungry enough to want 3000


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and as i said in my lying post it is just my take on it, i dont have a problem hearing others take but i do have a problem being told im wrong when im living proof i aint


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I think you're being very pedantic Omar and not everyone has the interest in extremes of nutrition that you do - bodybuilding is a whole other world with very few applications to people outside it. Not everyone wants to spend their lives being obsessed with their intake and macronutrient ratios.

For most people LCHF is a great way of avoiding calorie counting and there are other reasons people don't lose weight that have nothing to do with their ability to count calories or not. Personally calorie counting would be the very last on my list of options for controlling weight because I've done it in the past and it made my life miserable. LCHF is the first eating regime that has made it possible for me to stop worrying about that stuff.

For anyone who is interested in reading a discussion of why the quality of calories is much more important than counting them, I'd suggest reading Jonathan Bailor's book "The Calorie Myth" or J. Stanton's series of blog posts about it: http://www.gnolls.org/
 
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