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Spiker said:
Eating fat does not raise cholesterol. Eating excess carbs (or injecting excess insulin) raises cholesterol.

Also, high cholesterol by itself is not bad. It is high VLDL cholesterol that is bad. VLDL cholesterol is caused by turning excess carbs into fat in the liver.

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Spiker, what's vldl cholestrol? Why do the NHS brigade tell you to cut fat? Is there anywhere where I can find a simple explanation of all of this which a doc/dn might accept and I will understand? Complete numpty when it comes to science.
 
And now I have been awake since 4.30am with horrendous tummy side-effects which will mean my diary is no doubt cancelled for today. Was meant to be volunteering at the RNIB. Nobody seems to understand how bad this is and how I cannot plan or commit to anything. How could I ever work again...?? Feeling VERY low. :-(


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Spiker said:
Eating fat does not raise cholesterol. Eating excess carbs (or injecting excess insulin) raises cholesterol.

Also, high cholesterol by itself is not bad. It is high VLDL cholesterol that is bad. VLDL cholesterol is caused by turning excess carbs into fat in the liver.

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Thanks for the info.
 
Scandichic said:
Spiker, what's vldl cholestrol? Why do the NHS brigade tell you to cut fat? Is there anywhere where I can find a simple explanation of all of this which a doc/dn might accept and I will understand? Complete numpty when it comes to science.
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Cholesterol can be divided into many components. VLDL is the most strongly linked to cardiovascular disease (heart disease, stroke, etc). VLDL is Very Low Density Lipoprotein. It is big bubbles of fat. Then there is LDL and HDL, which is Low Density and High Density Lipoprotein. HDL is tight little balls of fat. HDL is linked to better health. LDL is slightly linked to bad health but not as strongly linked as VLDL.

A cholesterol test does not test these different components, it just measures "total cholesterol", all together, good and bad. Unsurprisingly total cholesterol, being a mix of good and bad, doesn't have any significant link to heart disease. There is no good evidence demonstrating any link.

The NHS are anti fat because their policy has not kept up with the scientific evidence. In the 1970s a consensus emerged that fat was bad and it would only be a matter of time before studies proved that. However no studies have proved it. Many big studies have been done and none of them prove a link from fat in the diet, to bad health.

The Jason Fung and Roy Taylor videos posted here on DCUK explain how excess carbs and insulin cause VLDL. Basically the body tries to store excess carbs that it can't immediately use. But the only way to store more than a few hundred grams of carbs (stored as glycogen) is to convert them to fat. The process of converting carbs to fat takes place in the liver. Unfortunately most of this fat ends up stored in the liver. In order to get this fat out of the liver to other cells to be used or stored there, it is expelled out of the liver as VLDL.
 
DFiona said:
And now I have been awake since 4.30am with horrendous tummy side-effects which will mean my diary is no doubt cancelled for today. Was meant to be volunteering at the RNIB. Nobody seems to understand how bad this is and how I cannot plan or commit to anything. How could I ever work again...?? Feeling VERY low. :-(
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Sorry you are having such a hard time. :-(

This is the Victoza right?

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Spiker said:
Sorry you are having such a hard time. :-(

This is the Victoza right?

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Yep. Alongside sitagliptin and Humulin I. I have been here before and the drug concoction gave me abnormal LFTs which resolved as soon as I stopped them. Every time I am put back on diabetic meds side effects do this to me. I only ever feel well when not on any drugs, insulin and otherwise. I am now crouched over with stomach cramp pain having been up half the night on the toilet... Every few days, in line with my gut motility which was very slow before Victoza, and I am like this. My body is stressed because of the drugs I think ...

Had avocado, mozzarella green salad then mushroom risotto for tea last night before injecting before bed (could only eat half what I used to eat of this dish) so not exactly mega high carb. BG only 8.8 this morning :-(. I was getting these kinds of readings before Victoza though maybe not as regularly under 10. It's been consistently under 10 for over 10 days with several days in a row in excellent control.

But my liver feels like it just can't cope anymore. Will be asking my GP to do urgent LFT bloods next week.
 
Spiker said:
Cholesterol can be divided into many components. VLDL is the most strongly linked to cardiovascular disease (heart disease, stroke, etc). VLDL is Very Low Density Lipoprotein. It is big bubbles of fat. Then there is LDL and HDL, which is Low Density and High Density Lipoprotein. HDL is tight little balls of fat. HDL is linked to better health. LDL is slightly linked to bad health but not as strongly linked as VLDL.

A cholesterol test does not test these different components, it just measures "total cholesterol", all together, good and bad. Unsurprisingly total cholesterol, being a mix of good and bad, doesn't have any significant link to heart disease. There is no good evidence demonstrating any link.

The NHS are anti fat because their policy has not kept up with the scientific evidence. In the 1970s a consensus emerged that fat was bad and it would only be a matter of time before studies proved that. However no studies have proved it. Many big studies have been done and none of them prove a link from fat in the diet, to bad health.

The Jason Fung and Roy Taylor videos posted here on DCUK explain how excess carbs and insulin cause VLDL. Basically the body tries to store excess carbs that it can't immediately use. But the only way to store more than a few hundred grams of carbs (stored as glycogen) is to convert them to fat. The process of converting carbs to fat takes place in the liver. Unfortunately most of this fat ends up stored in the liver. In order to get this fat out of the liver to other cells to be used or stored there, it is expelled out of the liver as VLDL.
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Thank you. I understand now. I eat LCHF and have had a very hard time for doing so despite weight loss and halving bs. Just looking for more arguments to defend myself but like cold hard facts. I have every intension of carrying on with this diet too!
 
US has always used lbs and UK has always used stones and pounds. Although we have gone some way towards using metric kg over the past few years.



Late onset T1, several auto immune issues.
Humalogmix25 twice a day, Methotrexate 25mg once per week, FolicAcid 5mg once per week, prednisolone 5mg daily, Allopurinol 300mg, Calcichew-D3 800iu, Levothyroxine 50mcg, Atenolol 50mg, Losarten 100mg, Aspirin 75mg, Nicorandil 20mg, Nitrolingual GTN spray, Metformin 2000mg, Allimemazine 10mg, Lanzoprazole 30mg, Atorvastatin 20mg, Co Codamol 8/500mg, Depo Medrone (Methylprednisolone) or double Prednisolone for 7 days in case of RA flare.
 
Alanp35 said:
US has always used lbs and UK has always used stones and pounds. Although we have gone some way towards using metric kg over the past few years.



Late onset T1, several auto immune issues.
Humalogmix25 twice a day, Methotrexate 25mg once per week, FolicAcid 5mg once per week, prednisolone 5mg daily, Allopurinol 300mg, Calcichew-D3 800iu, Levothyroxine 50mcg, Atenolol 50mg, Losarten 100mg, Aspirin 75mg, Nicorandil 20mg, Nitrolingual GTN spray, Metformin 2000mg, Allimemazine 10mg, Lanzoprazole 30mg, Atorvastatin 20mg, Co Codamol 8/500mg, Depo Medrone (Methylprednisolone) or double Prednisolone for 7 days in case of RA flare.
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Hi Alan
Am in awe as to how your body copes with that huge concoction of medication -- don't you get any side-effects? My body gets abnormal LFTs with only a handful compared with yours.
Fiona
 
Fiona,
Our bodies are truly amazing and can manage so much in many different ways, from being ill to being poisoned almost by the drugs to cure the illness. I have only ever had a bad reaction to one drug - leflunomide - oh boy ! Don't want to go there again. It is a case of managing what is and hoping for what may/ could be, perhaps. Hope springs eternal.



Late onset T1, several auto immune issues.
Humalogmix25 twice a day, Methotrexate 25mg once per week, FolicAcid 5mg once per week, prednisolone 5mg daily, Allopurinol 300mg, Calcichew-D3 800iu, Levothyroxine 50mcg, Atenolol 50mg, Losarten 100mg, Aspirin 75mg, Nicorandil 20mg, Nitrolingual GTN spray, Metformin 2000mg, Allimemazine 10mg, Lanzoprazole 30mg, Atorvastatin 20mg, Co Codamol 8/500mg, Depo Medrone (Methylprednisolone) or double Prednisolone for 7 days in case of RA flare.
 
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