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Ah. That may have been the reason I was so sad that Will got shot in The Good Wife. Just when I thought I was done with PMT too! To be honest, even for a Pollyanna type like me, life is rather taxing at present and any other reaction but mild depression would be frankly nuts, but I'm sure many people have it much worse.
 
runner2009 said:
Jack

I have the same problem. A regular meal burger and fries even with less bread shoots me sky high.

A flower tortilla same thing, along with rice and now even lentils.

300g to 500g mixed salads and veggies I can handle and fish take me to 115 to 120mg/dl .

Strange polenta with cheese barely budges if I have pork with it. And a dark beer called Old Rasputin with 9.6% alcohol drops my BS . YES!!!

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I'm still at the very low carb to get the weight off stage and the only regular carbs are coming from non-starch veg and a post meal ~6 spike
Whether that increased my carb tolerance, but after being out to dinner where I had the bread roll and starch veg, which I counted at 40g. I was under the 'un-healthy plate' 10 @ 2hr.
I have given this some thought and if needed I would ask the Dr about taking one of those short acting oral meds for the occasional carb meal
 
Hi. Can I ask how old you are and what your BMI is? If your BMI is around normal then it may mean you need to have further tablets added such as Gliclazide. There are many ways to have nice hot food without too many carbs. I have egg and bacon for breakfast and decent meat steaks of all kinds are fine with most veg (but not potatoes)
 
The more you focus on what you can't have, the more resentment you'll feel. I was gutted when I found out but then read up on everything - especially food and got lots of low GL cook books. Patrick holford cookbook is particularly good. There's a cheesecake recipe in there which is amazing.

I made burgers but used iceberg lettuce instead of bread and it was really nice. All the trimmings inside.

I look at white foods now as poisonous and it helps me through it. Been doing it for over a month now and haven't slipped or really missed anything.

I have wanted Chinese a few times but resisted and instead made oriental pork ball soup which tastes authentic.

Have a good trawl around the net for meal ideas and inspiration. Hang in there.

And if you really can't resist a burger bun, then just have half and no dessert!

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The problem going from low carb/slow release carbs to even a moderate amount of fast release carbs is your pancreas gets caught on the hop. You will see spikes for a few days if you ate them everyday and then you will find the spikes flatten out. LCHF is very useful in the battle for control but it is a pain for your body to tolerate any carbs once you are on it.

That is why I went on moderate carb and I mix high GI and low GI. Generally I stick to low GI but if I am going to up my carb levels (done this several times) I will start by using small amounts of high GI to get my pancreas handling the higher spikes and then up the carb levels.

BTW several rashers of hot bacon in burgen linseed and soya bread beats a burger any day of the week and it is hot. Make sweet potato chips they are glorious and you can eat lots of them.
 
Must try sweet potato chips. I assumed they would be rather soft and flabby because of the extra water compared to tatties. Am I wrong?
 
You can't just chuck them in oil like chips. Plenty of recipes on net for them.

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I don't really miss the foods I've cut out that much, and I don't really have carb cravings. I obviously do eat hot food, but not many hot meals. Everything is with salad. My wife offered me a choice of tuna or cheese salad tonight and my throat started closing up at the thought, so I declined and went without (easy at the moment as I'm recovering from knee surgery!). Anyway, I'm high on painkillers so I'll probably make more sense tomorrow o_O
 
Helsin said:
I think I have been suffering from 'smug ***** syndrome'. I have struggled a little with replacing milk and one with cream and sweetener, but the low carb thing seemed quite natural and 3 weeks + cigarette free too. Then my mood went very low yesterday. Worrying about things I can't change at the moment and quite weepy. Trying to get a grip.
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Hope you're ok, and feeling better :)
 
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Weens12 said:
I sympathise… I really do….

But, as a T2, your body can’t cope and is damaged by the blood glucose surges which result from eating fast-acting and refined carbohydrates such as tiger bread, burger buns and chips in the “usual” quantities. You can either accept that, and only have these things as an occasional treat and/or you can be more creative with foods that you can eat freely, without sending your BG into orbit.

Where is it written that you should eat salads all the time? Or that you can’t have a hot meal?

If, as your signature says, you are following LCHF, there’s a wide range of delicious and healthy foods you CAN eat, that will keep your BG in the safety zone. Google for recipes which are low-carb versions of your favourite foods. Unfortunately, you won’t find low-carb versions at the usual fast-foods outlets – you will likely have to make your own.

You could make your own burger or cheese burger – leave off the bun, and either just have a few chips (if you can stop at just a few), or make chips from celeriac.

I make my own carb-free burgers, so I know what’s in them (i.e. no fillers, binders or thickeners: rusk, wheatflour and the like). I just add salt and pepper and sometimes a little chopped onion to minced beef and sometimes some chillies or herbs depending on what I fancy at the time, and shape them into burgers. I have a Tupperware burger maker thingy which makes them nice and even, but you could shape them by hand. Then I sear them in a griddle pan to get a nice stripy effect going on. Even better, with barbecue season starting – sling them on the barbie! Fancy a cheeseburger? – Just add a slice of mature cheese and flash under a grill. Add low-carb toppings/sides like a salsa with chopped avocado & tomato or coleslaw, or a hot sauce. You can make chicken, fish or lamb burgers in the same way – you can add an egg if you find that they won’t bind together, and whatever herbs you like. I make celeriac chips in the oven – just cut into chunky sized chips, and toss in a little oil (I use olive or rice bran oil), and bake.

Trust me, once you find new favourites, you’ll no longer miss the junk.
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To be honest I don't really miss the junk, I just miss hot meals. No it's not written that I shouldn't eat hot meals, and yes there's plenty that I can eat, but I feel really limited compared to how I used to eat. I eat a lot of salad because I work away a lot and stay in hotels, so it's easier to just ask for a salad, I don't really like vegetables. So a typical evening meal would be a chicken Caesar salad, or a burger (without the bun and chips) with additional salad, or steak with salad etc etc, you get the message, it's all salad.
 
Daibell said:
Hi. Can I ask how old you are and what your BMI is? If your BMI is around normal then it may mean you need to have further tablets added such as Gliclazide. There are many ways to have nice hot food without too many carbs. I have egg and bacon for breakfast and decent meat steaks of all kinds are fine with most veg (but not potatoes)
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I'm 47, my BMI was 25 at diagnosis, it's around 23.5 now. I'd much rather not take extra tablets :) breakfast isn't an issue, full English every time :woot:
 
Andrew Colvin said:
The problem going from low carb/slow release carbs to even a moderate amount of fast release carbs is your pancreas gets caught on the hop. You will see spikes for a few days if you ate them everyday and then you will find the spikes flatten out. LCHF is very useful in the battle for control but it is a pain for your body to tolerate any carbs once you are on it.

That is why I went on moderate carb and I mix high GI and low GI. Generally I stick to low GI but if I am going to up my carb levels (done this several times) I will start by using small amounts of high GI to get my pancreas handling the higher spikes and then up the carb levels.

BTW several rashers of hot bacon in burgen linseed and soya bread beats a burger any day of the week and it is hot. Make sweet potato chips they are glorious and you can eat lots of them.
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Very interesting theory Andrew, so if I eat some carbs I could 'train' my pancreas to tolerate them? I need to test this.....

Also I'd rather eat my eyeballs with a rusty fork than eat sweet potato, sorry but I hate the stuff
 
I meant to (sensibly) reply to the comments earlier this week, but have been on huge amounts of painkillers which kind of stopped me doing this. I'm going to start a new thread because there have been 'developments'.
 
I'm getting a bit concerned by all this training your pancreas stuff. That is fine for people who've done the equivalent of the Newcastle Diet and/or LCHF to the point where they have attained not only their weight loss goals but also normalised their BG levels. I'm not in that position and I doubt that a lot of the people reading threads like this are in that category either.

I suppose I could decide to ditch LCHF and try it, but frankly I'm not interested in putting pressure on my already compromised pancreas and/or having to graduate to medications to enable it to happen. I'm living proof that LCHF is sustainable and enjoyable long term if you have enough motivation. It also has the advantage of making weight loss maintenance relatively easy. I know for sure that wouldn't be the case if I started chowing down on hamburgers with buns made of white flour.

Not everybody's pancreas will recover to the point that Andrew's has and people should not even think of attempting the kind of things he is doing UNTIL they're achieving entirely normal BG control. JMO.
 
Indy51 said:
I'm getting a bit concerned by all this training your pancreas stuff. That is fine for people who've done the equivalent of the Newcastle Diet and/or LCHF to the point where they have attained not only their weight loss goals but also normalised their BG levels. I'm not in that position and I doubt that a lot of the people reading threads like this are in that category either.

I suppose I could decide to ditch LCHF and try it, but frankly I'm not interested in putting pressure on my already compromised pancreas and/or having to graduate to medications to enable it to happen. I'm living proof that LCHF is sustainable and enjoyable long term if you have enough motivation. It also has the advantage of making weight loss maintenance relatively easy. I know for sure that wouldn't be the case if I started chowing down on hamburgers with buns made of white flour.

Not everybody's pancreas will recover to the point that Andrew's has and people should not even think of attempting the kind of things he is doing UNTIL they're achieving entirely normal BG control. JMO.
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A very good point Indy, I wasn't trying to suggest that we should all stop the diets that are working for us, apologies if that's how it seemed. I've been spaced out all week and have replied to the replies here now that I've returned to normal, knowing that there have been some changes in my BG etc.

I've started a new thread to discuss this, but again, I'm not suggesting for a second that anyone should change what is working for them.
 
semiphonic said:
A very good point Indy, I wasn't trying to suggest that we should all stop the diets that are working for us, apologies if that's how it seemed. I've been spaced out all week and have replied to the replies here now that I've returned to normal, knowing that there have been some changes in my BG etc.

I've started a new thread to discuss this, but again, I'm not suggesting for a second that anyone should change what is working for them.
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No problem, semiphonic. I think I'm getting a bit depressed by all this talk because no matter what I do, my fasting BG never gets into the normal range. It's hard not to get a case of the green-eyed monster over the people who have managed to do it sometimes :grumpy:
 
The only thing different I've done this week is eat stuff that I shouldn't and not exercised. Sorry if I made you feel low that wasn't my intention :(
 
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