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The Diabetes epidemic

Heathenlass said:
Then someone named Jonathan Maitlands of Hartlepool will be wondering just what the hell he said when out on the lash last night;)

Signy
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I did ask Mr M to take a look at this thread on the forum ................ so possible new members, if it's the wrong Mr M o_O
 
Hm , usual stuff. I'm afraid I'm not that impressed by the Newcastle research stuff. Very much in bed with DUK and no mention of carbs; just calories. I wonder if anyone has realised that the reason the low (800?) calorie diet works is because the carbs have been reduced and not because the fats have. All sounds very unscientific to me.
 
It is nothing to do with carbs or fats it is to do with reduced calories so your body has to use it glycogen and fat stores from the liver and pancreas
 
thats a hard thing to prove as the newcastle diet does force you to also massively reduce carbs along with everything else, correct me if im wrong
 
Andrew Colvin said:
It is nothing to do with carbs or fats it is to do with reduced calories so your body has to use it glycogen and fat stores from the liver and pancreas
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Yes, but any low calorie diet will do that. My problem with the Newcastle diet is that it doesn't re-educate you to eat the right things afterwards. If you are reducing to 800 calories of course you are cutting down on both carbs and fat, but it's the cutting down on carbs which is important. Also if you have several stones to lose your body just gets used to lower calories over time and then the metabolism stops working properly so you burn less. I like LCHF because I have my maintenance diet ready made for me when I have lost the weight.
 
I think something like the Newcastle diet might be useful to kick start a weight reduction plan but I'm sure the body would soon cling onto every calorie in one of those delicious shakes fearing that it would never see a proper meal again. You need to find a diet that you can stay on as a way of life and I can't see how a load of shakes and a few veg are a sustainable diet post weight loss. For good BS levels and weight maintenance you need to have learned what and how much you can eat....
 
Robinredbreast said:
I have now tweeted Mr Maitland and asked him to have a look at the thread on this forum, but only time will tell:rolleyes: Maybe others could do the same, the more the better:)
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Me too, i joined twitter group just to tweet him... The more people that do it the better as far as I am concerned!


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A low cal diet is not sustainable for life...

A low carb life is.... That's the main difference between being healthy and unhealthy FOR LIFE.

We aren't ralking about weeks here.. We're talking about LIFE.... Sustainable life diet choices....

Choice of a fad diet or a lifestyle of lower carbs....i didnt even realise I was a low carber until I read posts on this forum...i just thought I was lucky having bad genes but no complications after 30 years T1...... But I hav ben convinced for a long while now that my good lifestyle of lower carbs has keptbme complication free. Yes, I do stray on occassions of Xmas (december + january ) and my birthday....however I am Incensed enoughnto tweet this presenter who could have done more for population(s) as a whole... Afterall this programme was aimed at non diabetics....




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I don't think anyone said the newcastle diet is for life but what it does is force your body to utilise the visceral fat. You then of course have to not go back to old ways and find a diet that is sustainable and suitable. It does not help you to decide what that is except that you have trained your brain and body to be able to handle a lower amount of cals/carbs/... so any increase will make it think it is having a feast and help with sustainability. If you wish to then low carb/medium carb/low gi some mixture of them all is then a personal choice as it is before the start of a newcastle diet. None of this changes the fact that the very low calorie diets are about shifting the visceral fats and this seems to work for some of us.
 
Yes Andrew I suppose it shifted some of my visceral fat too. The main problem I found was that when I added back a little more food my body had gone into famine mode and wanted to store that extra as fat, even though I was still consuming maybe only 1000-1200 calories. I suppose my problem was that this was not the first time (or even tenth time!) I had significantly reduced calories, so each time I had cut down I damaged my metabolism a bit more. I can see that for people who have never dieted before the Newcastle diet would be a quick way to start and could work well.
 
Diets are for Days...,

Lifeste changes are just that... For rest of life... Sorry, who the heck can sustain a lifestyle change of less than 1200 calories EVERYDAY. Unless anorexic or very large......

This peogramme did nothing at all...


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notned said:
All the rabbit food (salads) I'm eating doesn't help... and my wife keeps threatening me with cauliflower and brussels..
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I feel your pain re the salad.Im waiting for my two front teeth to become rabbit like lol

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mrs gimli said:
I didnt watch as busy reading.but I was never hugely over weight and did it mention family history. My nana my mam and my older sister all had or haave diabeties.
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I have a strong family history of a lot of auto immune diseases including diabetes but im made to feel its my fault

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Just watched it on itv player. Mixed feelings. Didn't like the kids and its the fat that stops the cells getting the glucose - and he's a professor!, but did appreciate the life stories. but that man's leg ... that was where I was heading I bet. The rice made me laugh, gimme a bowl of rice, c'mon, just a bowl, please Sir!
Still he at least raised the issue a bit.

So Mr Maitland if you are reading this, please find time to do a bit more research - try this TED talk https://www.ted.com/talks/peter_attia_what_if_we_re_wrong_about_diabetes
Read Blood Sugar 101 - just the first few pages or the Dr Bernstein's Diabetes revolution or these forum pages. You could spearhead saving a nation mate.
 
sanguine said:
Yes, it would have taken just a minute (at that programme's level) to explain the difference in broad terms - could have done that instead of the pointless studio intro and outro to the programme. The Newcastle diet bit was OK but most people would see that as too drastic. A pity someone didn't shout from off-camera at the end "don't eat the rice!"

But if it raises some awareness and results in some people getting themselves checked that should be a positive - but then most will still accept the healthy plate route and increasing drugs, apart from the small minority who find their way to here. Nothing much else will change until NICE see the reality about carbs.
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NICE are reveiwing the guidance.
Contact Diabetes UK and ask them to speak up about lower carb intake.

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Heathenlass said:
Do you remember the fall out from a well known Diabetic Charity's poster campaign some years back, all about waist measurement and sad looking overweight poster people.

Ignoring the facts that :
Not all diabetics, either type 1 or two are overweight.
Even if they are overweight, it doesn't follow that diabetes was caused by that .
There is not just one form of diabetes.

You'd think that such a charity would know better.

I worry a tad after the media have done something like this or the Daily Wail article. There was a wonderful comment on the Daily Wail website from a mum of a diabetic child, sarcastically thanking them for ensuring that her child would continue to be stigmatised and picked on at school following their misinformation that ALL diabetics are overweight , lazy and brought it on themselves.

If, just if, there was a reasonable programme or article that raised public awareness in a good informative way, it would be such a refreshing change.
But that wouldn't be "entertainment", would it ?


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Well if we're talking about the daily fail, I'm surprised there wasn't a racist element. Can't believe they didn't mention THE IMMIGRANTS!
 
Andrew Colvin said:
I don't think anyone said the newcastle diet is for life but what it does is force your body to utilise the visceral fat. You then of course have to not go back to old ways and find a diet that is sustainable and suitable. It does not help you to decide what that is except that you have trained your brain and body to be able to handle a lower amount of cals/carbs/... so any increase will make it think it is having a feast and help with sustainability. If you wish to then low carb/medium carb/low gi some mixture of them all is then a personal choice as it is before the start of a newcastle diet. None of this changes the fact that the very low calorie diets are about shifting the visceral fats and this seems to work for some of us.
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Good explanation Andrew, it's not difficult to understand why the Newcastle diet works.

No doubt that the Dietitians working on the ND will advise patients on a follow-up diet.
 
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