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Hello all, I was diagnosed T2 about a fortnight ago, I have been put on metformin, once in morning and once at night. Also been put on Simvastatin (one at night) for cholesterol, it's all confusing to me (especially what to eat), I got myself a meter thingy with 10 strips (£10.45 Amazon), wasted 5 of these strips because the small amount of blood was not getting drawn up enough, and the instructions said they could not be used again. When I eventually got a reading, it was about 2 hours after food, it was 12.4, and the next morning it was 7.9, 2 hours after food again it was 13.1 and finally this morning after about 10 hours fasting it was 8.2, only got 1 strip left. I know by reading this site that these levels are really high, can I expect these sort of levels to come down and keep them down by the dietary advice on here, would it be acceptable to start on the diet doctors thing which is low carb high fat (LCHF), I am also about 21/2 stone overweight. Also would the NHS provide a prescription for strips etc, and if not what are the cheapest but reliable.
 
I can answer one question. Yes you should buy more strips and take more readings. It is unlikely that the NHS will help with the cost so plan to buy them yourself.

Your weight is excessive so lose some of it by reducing your carb intake. No fizzy drinks, no flour or sugar products etc. In addition, if you test high two hours after a meal then change that meal before you have it again.

Good luck.
 
Thanks for your advice SF, my meal about 10 minutes ago has been totally different (2 boiled eggs, 2 slices ham, 4 small slices of smoked cheese, lettuce, cucumber, spring onion, some mushrooms (boiled in pan), washed down with diet cola, I will use my last strip in 2 hours and see what reading I get. I realise that I need more strips etc, I'm awaiting a kit (SD Codefree) and extra strips from Amazon, the strips are reasonably cheap (£7 for 50), so I will just have to wait for their arrival.
 
Hi and welcome.

You can start on the low carb higher fat as soon as you like, the sooner the better, and it sounds like you already did with your last meal.
Record all your readings and keep a strict food diary of everything you eat and drink. There is a useful website My Fitness Pal (and an app) that you can use to record food and it will work out the carbs and other nutrients for you. It is free, but you need to set your own goals and targets rather than use their recommended ones. I also have a book (from Amazon) called Carbs & Cals, which is all photos of plates with thousands of different foods on, which will help you learn what carbs are where and how many. It is very useful for portion control.

If you follow the low carb diet your numbers will come down very quickly, but you need to learn from your meter which foods you can or can't cope with. If you get a high 2 hour reading, have the same meal again but adjust the portions, or work out which part of the meal was bad and avoid it. It is a steep learning curve, but eventually it will become automatic.

Good luck.
 
Hi and welcome.

You can start on the low carb higher fat as soon as you like, the sooner the better, and it sounds like you already did with your last meal.
Record all your readings and keep a strict food diary of everything you eat and drink. There is a useful website My Fitness Pal (and an app) that you can use to record food and it will work out the carbs and other nutrients for you. It is free, but you need to set your own goals and targets rather than use their recommended ones. I also have a book (from Amazon) called Carbs & Cals, which is all photos of plates with thousands of different foods on, which will help you learn what carbs are where and how many. It is very useful for portion control.

If you follow the low carb diet your numbers will come down very quickly, but you need to learn from your meter which foods you can or can't cope with. If you get a high 2 hour reading, have the same meal again but adjust the portions, or work out which part of the meal was bad and avoid it. It is a steep learning curve, but eventually it will become automatic.

Good luck.
Cheers for the reply and very welcome advice, I am going to look into the site and app, I think a food diary for me is the way forward, thanks again
 
Hi Georgie and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find useful, especially as the links give a great deal of information on carbs which is important for you. Ask all the questions you need to and someone will help.




BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi. The Codefree meter is a very cost-effective purchase. Yes, go low-carb. The Metformin helps a bit but the right diet and some exercise are the main things.
 
Hi Georgie and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find useful, especially as the links give a great deal of information on carbs which is important for you. Ask all the questions you need to and someone will help.




BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Thanks for all of that, will go through it all, I'm particularly annoyed that I have not been offered testing and monitoring stuff (Didn't ask right enough) my next appointment will come through the post they said in about 6 weeks
 
Hi. The Codefree meter is a very cost-effective purchase. Yes, go low-carb. The Metformin helps a bit but the right diet and some exercise are the main things.
Thanks for that, it seems to be the best price I can see online, I used my last strip earlier to check what effect my (different) meal had, but the accu check aviva nano meter, didn't get enough blood and voided the strip, what a waste of money, 4 strips out off 10 that gave a reading, I'm hoping the SD Codefree is an improvement. Cheers
 
Thanks for that, it seems to be the best price I can see online, I used my last strip earlier to check what effect my (different) meal had, but the accu check aviva nano meter, didn't get enough blood and voided the strip, what a waste of money, 4 strips out off 10 that gave a reading, I'm hoping the SD Codefree is an improvement. Cheers

Hi Georgie

you will get the hang of strip testing. I wasted quite a few to begin with due the blood being insufficient. Once you get to know the blood size drop, just gently pressure the finger to produce that amount.

jim
 
Hi Georgie, welcom to the Forum. Great advice from Bluetit and Daisy, have a good look round the different forums and posts you will soon pick up lots of tips and information, take your time, don't try and take it in all at once, you will soon get your head round it all with the help of all the lovely people on the site, so ask questions.

Unfortunately, the NHS do not provide meters or stips for Type 2's unless you have a really good doctor, and their dietary advice is best avoided. I have followed the advice on here from diagnosis (LC/HF), have lost 2 stone, and feel much better than I have in a long time. Everyone is different so keep testing (you will soon get the hang of it) despite what the NHS advises testing is a vital part of managing your diabetes.

Good luck with the diet.

Marilyn
 
Hi Georgie, welcom to the Forum. Great advice from Bluetit and Daisy, have a good look round the different forums and posts you will soon pick up lots of tips and information, take your time, don't try and take it in all at once, you will soon get your head round it all with the help of all the lovely people on the site, so ask questions.

Unfortunately, the NHS do not provide meters or stips for Type 2's unless you have a really good doctor, and their dietary advice is best avoided. I have followed the advice on here from diagnosis (LC/HF), have lost 2 stone, and feel much better than I have in a long time. Everyone is different so keep testing (you will soon get the hang of it) despite what the NHS advises testing is a vital part of managing your diabetes.

Good luck with the diet.

Marilyn
Thanks Mazzer. as you see I have had quite a few messages of encouragement and good advice, I think that the LC/HF is the way for me to go forward without a doubt.
 
Another option for you to consider is the Newcastle Diet - research it make and if you are interested do it - you may like to discuss it with your doctor (they probably know nothing about it so print off all the information). I did it without the sachets btw. They are many threads on the site about it. I am now 5 stone down and have normal glucose reactions @Pipp and @paulins are in a similar position with Pipp having been in a reversed state for 3 years (absolutely amazing). Of course you still have to change your life style afterwards.

This thread is an interesting read started by @kimyeomans http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/newcastle-diet-advice.55478/
 
Hello all, I was diagnosed T2 about a fortnight ago, I have been put on metformin, once in morning and once at night. Also been put on Simvastatin (one at night) for cholesterol, it's all confusing to me (especially what to eat), I got myself a meter thingy with 10 strips (£10.45 Amazon), wasted 5 of these strips because the small amount of blood was not getting drawn up enough, and the instructions said they could not be used again. When I eventually got a reading, it was about 2 hours after food, it was 12.4, and the next morning it was 7.9, 2 hours after food again it was 13.1 and finally this morning after about 10 hours fasting it was 8.2, only got 1 strip left. I know by reading this site that these levels are really high, can I expect these sort of levels to come down and keep them down by the dietary advice on here, would it be acceptable to start on the diet doctors thing which is low carb high fat (LCHF), I am also about 21/2 stone overweight. Also would the NHS provide a prescription for strips etc, and if not what are the cheapest but reliable.
Hi Andrew - Every practise is different but your are entitled to receive so many strips on prescription - when you are first diagnosed you will have regularly blood taking and reviews - or at least you should - this will not only establish the extent of your condition but the benefit of the medication also. Never be scared to ask questions or speak up - it is your health and healthcare - it will take a while to get nearer to where you want to be and lifestyle plays a part - stress, etc - good luck and I hope this helps
 
Hi Andrew - Every practise is different but your are entitled to receive so many strips on prescription -


Skippy, sorry but Type 2's not on insulin or insulin promoting drugs are not entitled to meters or prescriptions for strips. The odd doctor may well prescribe them, but these are far and few between. We have to buy our own.
 
Skippy, sorry but Type 2's not on insulin or insulin promoting drugs are not entitled to meters or prescriptions for strips. The odd doctor may well prescribe them, but these are far and few between. We have to buy our own.
Maybe I have been lucky or regulations have changed - I know there has been a limit of those I do get free - sorry if I am in a unique minority and good luck
 
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