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LCHF diet to help you lose weight, not diabetes

izzzi said:
Your good knowledge and spreading advice is well timed when entered onto the forum which helps every one,you show us choice.
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As Loobles says, we all have the right to choose what we do with reality. We don't have the right to choose what that reality is. I choose how much of the low carb diet I follow. I don't have the right to choose whether or not low carb works -- it's pretty obvious that it does.
 
Kat100 said:
I am really concerned about the dynamics that are happening ....I don't think diet should be the first big discussion for someone here who is new or not so new ....people are of course free to follow what ever diet they wish , but let a person have time to breath first ....there is so much to,digest and people are all just shocked in many cases ...I know what diet I follow and choose but I would never push it at anyone ...like me telling everyone meat is bad for you , yes I choose not to eat meat , up to others what they do ...
Yes I agree it is dangerous to , we just don't know the facts and are not qualified to say .....suggestions and our experiences are all we can share ...but when you come here and are baffled with the diet that you should or should not be following while trying to get a grip on what is happening with your life and health is just not right ...that is how it feels ...
I like the information daisy gives ....as long as it stays within nice guidelines ....what is wrong with it ....it does highlight diet choices as well ...
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Hi Kat, I disagree with you on two points.

Firstly, when you are newly diagnosed, sometimes over the phone, you are in shock. The first thing you want to know is, right, how do I handle this disease and lower my high blood sugar? So in my opinion sharing what worked for me, you and all the others is vital as a first step.

Secondly, I don't think anyone is pushing anything - well possibly one member who I put on Ignore so wouldn't know much about what he is up to nowadays - but otherwise what we do is to share our experiences. Do you find that pushy?

And please don't go for the us and them line. There is no such thing. If you start on that line you will create a divide that really isn't there.
 
zand said:
By 'your message' do you mean mine personally? LCHF is a good healthy lifestyle choice for anyone. You don't have to be overweight. That's the whole point! You stick to the amount of protein your body needs (1g per kg of weight, I believe) and you lower your carbs gradually until your BG's are under good control. The fat element is the adjustable bit, you eat enough so that you maintain your weight if your weight is OK to start with. This way you don't feel hungry. If you have weight to lose you have to be careful not to over consume fat because you won't lose weight that way. Of course exercise and drinking enough water come into the equation too, but that's the same with any lifestyle plan.
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No not you personally, I mean the LCHF message on this forum, usually when a new member joins..
 
izzzi said:
No not you personally, I mean the LCHF message on this forum, usually when a new member joins..
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Oh right. OK. I think that's just because LCHF has helped so many of us, so there's always someone around to post about it. I don't think it's any more than that.
 
Totto said:
Hi Kat, I disagree with you on two points.

Firstly, when you are newly diagnosed, sometimes over the phone, you are in shock. The first thing you want to know is, right, how do I handle this disease and lower my high blood sugar? So in my opinion sharing what worked for me, you and all the others is vital as a first step.

Secondly, I don't think anyone is pushing anything - well possibly one member who I put on Ignore so wouldn't know much about what he is up to nowadays - but otherwise what we do is to share our experiences. Do you find that pushy?

And please don't go for the us and them line. There is no such thing. If you start on that line you will create a divide that really isn't there.
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Hi totto , like diet we all have our different experiences of being diagnosed ......and yes fully agree with you about the shock ...and it is awful for everyone ...I can't agree with all you say though ...but those are my views ....the mind what we read and think can be so different to what we perceive when reading posts ...we all view things in different ways at different times for many reasons ....
sharing experiences is something I have always been a supporter of .....
 
that's me..
carbs are evil
cut grain, grain product, bread rice pasta etc, potato and sugary stuff..eat everything else.
eat lots of leafy veg, normal protein and healthy fats/oils, to replace the lost energy from the carbs

TBH most new T2 aren't anorexic and how much fats they eat aren't a big deal as far as health goes, as long as they get enough not to be cold or hungry..keep the body heat up
 
When you have followed what the good doctors tell you and you watch your diabetic control just get worse and worse, the discovery of simply lowering carbs is something of a eureka moment that you want to shout from the highest roof. I had wanted to cut my carbs since diagnosis in 1997 but religiously followed my doctor's advice although I didn't go as far as following the dieticians advice to increase my carb intake by eating more potato and buying thicker sliced bread. I wasted 16 years of my life following what my doctor told me to do, how stupid was I? If people don't want to listen and prefer to do what their doctors tell them, that's absolutely fine. I wasn't happy increasing my medication all the time and I have seen three relatives struggle to gain good control of their BG once on insulin (that's not to say everyone has that problem, my relatives all eat carbs like they're going out of fashion because they're told they can adjust their meds), I have found a solution to MY problem and I'm happy with that.
 
Totto said:
Hi Kat, I disagree with you on two points.

Firstly, when you are newly diagnosed, sometimes over the phone, you are in shock. The first thing you want to know is, right, how do I handle this disease and lower my high blood sugar? So in my opinion sharing what worked for me, you and all the others is vital as a first step.

Secondly, I don't think anyone is pushing anything - well possibly one member who I put on Ignore so wouldn't know much about what he is up to nowadays - but otherwise what we do is to share our experiences. Do you find that pushy?

And please don't go for the us and them line. There is no such thing. If you start on that line you will create a divide that really isn't there.
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Don't accuse please...not necessary ...thanks
 
Yes @graj0 I followed what various doctors told me about weight loss for around 10 years before discovering that lowering carbs was the way forward. This was before I was diagnosed type 2 diabetic.
 
Kat100 said:
So now I can't express my own words ...
Give up ....
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Have it your own way then.

Either you feel there is an usandthem situation in which case I point that out is confirming a fact and not an accusation so no need to accuse me of accusing you, or you don't feel the need to talk about usandthem in which case this discussion is purely stupid.

It would help if you were a tad clearer on what you mean at times. ;)
 
If someone who doesn't low carb wants to post a helpful, constructive message to new members about their BG management choice and how it works for them, nobody is stopping you.

Otherwise, this thread is only reiterating familar arguments and positions, and perpetuating it is going to help those new members who might come across it on the first page how exactly? You were all paying attention towards the end of the 'losing the plot' thread weren't you?

I'm half-minded to report the OP for provocative pot-stirring. You can see the way it's going.
 
zand said:
Oh right. OK. I think that's just because LCHF has helped so many of us, so there's always someone around to post about it. I don't think it's any more than that.
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My problem might just be me missing or not seeing support from Diabetes .co.uk regarding LCHF.
It should not be that if you mention LCHF you become a trouble maker, Thank goodness I apologized in advance.
With me being on a vegan type diet I could do with a lamb shank right now.
 
I find this thread odd and a little pointless. Is there a reason for it ? I can understand low carb doesn't suit all and that's fine but from what I read a few are against it but offer no viable alternative ? I'd hate to ram a particular diet down someone's throat but to suggest newly diagnosed are not ready for dietary advice is ridiculous. That is exactly what they do want.
 
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zand said:
Yes @graj0 I followed what various doctors told me about weight loss for around 10 years before discovering that lowering carbs was the way forward. This was before I was diagnosed type 2 diabetic.
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I'm also very aware that we're all very different, that is something that this and other forums have shown me. Zand, so pleased that you have also found something that has helped you. I've been stuck on about 1,000 calories for 6 months now (BMR is 1900 before adjusting for exercise), may I go off topic and ask "any ideas?" Maybe I'll start a new topic, although not wishing to be big headed but I may have heard all there is to hear as to why plateaus occur. I'm even delving into the Krebs Cycle because mine is obviously broken. LOL All the best. Graham
 
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