Is type 2 reversible with Prof Roy Taylor

[andcol]

lol talking about ranges and body reactions then here you go
0.0 - 3.8 never been so don't know
3.8 - 4.8 sharp pains in my toes (like a long needle) and ice cold hands and feet
4.8 - 5.6 fingers and toes go progressively cold from the tips to the base
5.6 - 6.5 just nothing
6.5 - 8.1 warm hands and feet
8.1 - 8.5 I yawn
8.5 - 10 my eyes dry out and become sore

I normally live in the 4.8 to 5.6 region between meals and will normally peak up to around 7.5 to 8.1 on a heavy/fast carb meal. I don't like to go over 8.1 as that seems to be a reaction point for my body and I just wished I never got anything below 5.6 but that is probably my punishment for poisoning myself with carbs. I really do not need to buy strips

 

[andcol]

I'm not sure if you are getting at me personally here, Andrew, but if you are, you are wrong. Yes I have a target. Don't most of us? I am most certainly not obsessed with it. If I were, I wouldn't have homemade meat and spud pie with gravy once a week, as one example. I eat potatoes and bread every single day. If I spike, I spike. I don't sit there worrying about it as long as I come back down again. I haven't given up any food I enjoy except the odd vanilla slice and rice pudding, and I haven't gone to extremes of finding substitutes, but I do eat to my meter as far as carb portions go, which can only be a good thing for general health apart from anything else. There is nothing wrong with having a target as long as that target is realistic for that person. What is unhealthy is obsessing about it.

No bluetit sorry I wasnt it is just the misuse of the stats that really gets to me as a mathematician. For a start the distribution will be a log normal (at best) and not normal so the the mean value just doesnt mean the normal and I could go on...

I know you try things and spike and not scared of it so definitely not getting at you just the misguided claims from a very small restricted sample with a misreading of the numbers. A typical political use of data

 

[cold ethyl]

lol talking about ranges and body reactions then here you go
0.0 - 3.8 never been so don't know
3.8 - 4.8 sharp pains in my toes (like a long needle) and ice cold hands and feet
4.8 - 5.6 fingers and toes go progressively cold from the tips to the base
5.6 - 6.5 just nothing
6.5 - 8.1 warm hands and feet
8.1 - 8.5 I yawn
8.5 - 10 my eyes dry out and become sore

I normally live in the 4.8 to 5.6 region between meals and will normally peak up to around 7.5 to 8.1 on a heavy/fast carb meal. I don't like to go over 8.1 as that seems to be a reaction point for my body and I just wished I never got anything below 5.6 but that is probably my punishment for poisoning myself with carbs. I really do not need to buy strips

Great to see that. I think you just be my body twin - at about 5 I start with the chills and by 4.6 I feel my adrenalin response kicking in and my hands and toes are numb and icy. Below 4.2 I feel rough all over and by 3.7 I'm shaking and feel shocking. I try and live above 5 and below 6.5 at 2 hrs.

 

[andcol]

Great to see that. I think you just be my body twin - at about 5 I start with the chills and by 4.6 I feel my adrenalin response kicking in and my hands and toes are numb and icy. Below 4.2 I feel rough all over and by 3.7 I'm shaking and feel shocking. I try and live above 5 and below 6.5 at 2 hrs.

The only way I can get myself below 4.6 nowadays is to drive it down with exercise but as soon as I stop it pops back up to about 5. So that is my liver functioning correctly. One thing I have noticed is that if I do not have shoes on my feet generally do not hurt or get quite as cold. I am beginning to wonder if I lace them too tight now I have no fat on my feet

 

[cold ethyl]

Yes it's funny - my feet often feel warmer without shoes. I'm thinking of reducing my Metformin from 3 to 2 as I've been running uncomfortably low in the afternoons.

 

[Brunneria]

Great to see that. I think you just be my body twin - at about 5 I start with the chills and by 4.6 I feel my adrenalin response kicking in and my hands and toes are numb and icy. Below 4.2 I feel rough all over and by 3.7 I'm shaking and feel shocking. I try and live above 5 and below 6.5 at 2 hrs.

It was interesting what you said, earlier, about anxiety kicking in when you hit a certain level. I'm exactly the same.

It is 5.1-5.3 for me. And it does really feel like the start of a panic attack (not that I've ever actually had one). I've never known if it is the start of my body's hypo ritual, or whether it is an emotional reaction/fear of that hypo ritual. It then gets worse and worse as I drop lower. I hate it. I fear it. And I've experienced it far too many times in my years of reactive hypoglycaemia.

 

[andcol]

After stopping it the only difference I saw was that I never got fasting number of 4.3 any more and 4.6 is the lowest i get now with 4.8 to 5.2 my norm unless I had beef the previous evening when I get 5.4 (without fail). I do go down into the low 4s late afternoon and generally pop up to 4.8 to 5 by the time I am home to eat around 7 (normally as I am driving home at about 1830)

 

[cold ethyl]

It was interesting what you said, earlier, about anxiety kicking in when you hit a certain level. I'm exactly the same.

It is 5.1-5.3 for me. And it does really feel like the start of a panic attack (not that I've ever actually had one). I've never known if it is the start of my body's hypo ritual, or whether it is an emotional reaction/fear of that hypo ritual. I hate it. I fear it. And I've experienced it far too many times in my years of reactive hypoglycaemia.

I think low blood sugar is a recognised trigger for panic attacks. It certainly triggers mine. In fact a few years ago, although I was overweight, was when I started stuffing carbs in as a response to the panic disorder I'd developed. Sort of self medicated with food as couidnt tolerate anti- depressants. Now I find when dropping that my body kicking in to lift it makes me feel panicky as there's all that adrenalin sloshing round and i guess some of the symptoms mimic true panic, so as you say the emotional reaction sets off a rollercoaster of fear and panic.

 

[andcol]

It was interesting what you said, earlier, about anxiety kicking in when you hit a certain level. I'm exactly the same.

It is 5.1-5.3 for me. And it does really feel like the start of a panic attack (not that I've ever actually had one). I've never known if it is the start of my body's hypo ritual, or whether it is an emotional reaction/fear of that hypo ritual. I hate it. I fear it. And I've experienced it far too many times in my years of reactive hypoglycaemia.

So is that your brain having learnt that at that point you are going to get rapidly into trouble so is shouting for you to top up. What I found interesting was a post by one of the T1s (wish I could remember who it was) that since Low Carbing his brain can run much lower without his brain suffering from hypo state. If that is the case it could just be a learnt state for you - doesnt diminish it however. Do you eat at that point or just sit with it?

 

[Brunneria]

So is that your brain having learnt that at that point you are going to get rapidly into trouble so is shouting for you to top up. What I found interesting was a post by one of the T1s (wish I could remember who it was) that since Low Carbing his brain can run much lower without his brain suffering from hypo state. If that is the case it could just be a learnt state for you - doesnt diminish it however. Do you eat at that point or just sit with it?

I eat if it is possible to eat - usually have a 9 bar in my bag.
But I do know that I'm not going to pass out or anything. So I'm not afraid of that.
So if I can't eat, I just endure.

But there are two problems - the first is that physical exertion makes it worse. So even standing up to walk to the fridge, will drop me further.
The second is that, for me, the fear and adrenalin result in RAGE.
Bitter, cold, vicious, biting, snide, anger.
I know it's going to happen, and then I watch it happen, and then I have to try and deal with the fallout.
I have said terrible things.
Mr B is a saint, but the best thing he could possibly do is to go, find me some chocolate, hand it to me without speaking, then leave the house for half an hour. By which time, I may be human again.

Of course, that isn't always possible, especially when out and about.

Thank heavens for low carbing. I hardly ever go too low now, and like that type 1, they are much milder when they do happen.

 

[this is too difficult two]

I eat if it is possible to eat - usually have a 9 bar in my bag.
But I do know that I'm not going to pass out or anything. So I'm not afraid of that.
So if I can't eat, I just endure.

But there are two problems - the first is that physical exertion makes it worse. So even standing up to walk to the fridge, will drop me further.
The second is that, for me, the fear and adrenalin result in RAGE.
Bitter, cold, vicious, biting, snide, anger.
I know it's going to happen, and then I watch it happen, and then I have to try and deal with the fallout.
I have said terrible things.
Mr B is a saint, but the best thing he could possibly do is to go, find me some chocolate, hand it to me without speaking, then leave the house for half an hour. By which time, I may be human again.

Of course, that isn't always possible, especially when out and about.

sorry for everything I have ever said.

 

[Brunneria]

I'm terrified that one day I will get violent. I nearly did once.
In the kitchen, with a chef's knife in my hand.
It's why I'm afraid of hypos.

 

[this is too difficult two]

they say hypos are the most dangerous animal in Africa.

 

[Brunneria]

And this hypo is hippo sized too

 

[cold ethyl]

I'm terrified that one day I will get violent. I nearly did once.
In the kitchen, with a chef's knife in my hand.
It's why I'm afraid of hypos.

Interesting that you talk about anger. I found myself getting increasingly angry over the last few years - I out it down to the change but now I think it's more likely the variations in my blood sugar levels. I can still get quite snappy before dinner which is when I am usually running under 5.

 

[Bluetit1802]

I must be odd. I can never feel whether I am low, high, or anywhere else. I feel exactly the same at 4.6 as I do at 9.

 

[Monty010467]

I posted what follows on a related thread this afternoon and it was suggested I come here instead?

I watched the lecture at lunchtime, fascinating!

I think I am an example of the lower end of the scale where weight gain on a thin, low BMI frame has pushed me into T2!

However I have dropped from around 15st to 11st 10lb around 22% (BMI 22) set against the studies findings of 15% being effective and whilst I have ok HbA1C (6.0ish) I still have the impaired insulin response and regularly spike to 14 after meals with over 9 being common at + 2hrs, I continue to take 2000mg Metformin a day!

I have dropped my weight through endurance sport (Triathlon) and calorie deficit over around a two year period (Not 8 weeks) and I am fitter than I have ever been with a measured body fat content of around 10 to 12% and a resting heart rate of around 45 Bpm

I can get no sense from my GP and they will not refer me to specialist and I have some questions that maybe someone here can help me with?


1. Is it possible with my stats above that I still have a fatty liver and Pancreas?
2. Could Metformin now be interfering with my Liver functioning properly?

Many thanks for reading and I am hopeful of some insights?

All the best

Graeme

 

[this is too difficult two]

I must be odd. I can never feel whether I am low, high, or anywhere else. I feel exactly the same at 4.6 as I do at 9.

me too. But that doesnt mean you are not odd

 

[this is too difficult two]

I posted what follows on a related thread this afternoon and it was suggested I come here instead?

I watched the lecture at lunchtime, fascinating!

I think I am an example of the lower end of the scale where weight gain on a thin, low BMI frame has pushed me into T2!

However I have dropped from around 15st to 11st 10lb around 22% (BMI 22) set against the studies findings of 15% being effective and whilst I have ok HbA1C (6.0ish) I still have the impaired insulin response and regularly spike to 14 after meals with over 9 being common at + 2hrs, I continue to take 2000mg Metformin a day!

I have dropped my weight through endurance sport (Triathlon) and calorie deficit over around a two year period (Not 8 weeks) and I am fitter than I have ever been with a measured body fat content of around 10 to 12% and a resting heart rate of around 45 Bpm

I can get no sense from my GP and they will not refer me to specialist and I have some questions that maybe someone here can help me with?


1. Is it possible with my stats above that I still have a fatty liver and Pancreas?
2. Could Metformin now be interfering with my Liver functioning properly?

Many thanks for reading and I am hopeful of some insights?

All the best

Graeme

I personally think it is more about diet than weight. What do eat in a typical day?

 

[this is too difficult two]

what are you sugar levels?