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Lmj56

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Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi all,
Diagnosed type 2 1999. Thyroid cancer 2005. Now having major problems with muscle pains in arms and legs taking lots of medication, simvistatin blood pressure pills 200 my levothyroxin 850mg metformin. Only given blood sugar meter 2 days ago. Readings are scary. Before breakfast between 11.4 and 14.7 after 17.4 and 20.4. Evening 19.5 to 28.00. Thought my diet was healthy!,
I am 13st 6 lbs. 5ft 6ins not obese.
Help and suggestions needed please
 
Hello and welcome to the forum. Those readings are high, have you tweaked your diet to incorporate more veg, fish, meat, fruit ( berries) cheese, nuts and seeds, as these foods are good for people with diabetes, what ever type, as long as you don't have an allergy to nuts. Have you tried anything yet ?
Good luck RRB
 
Hi, welcome. More to the point, whilst not disagreeing with RRB, have you reduced your carbohydrates as well as obvious sugars? Bread, potatoes, rice, pasta all need to be reduced for diabetics. I'm guessing you have always been told to eat 'healthy carbs' with every meal?
 
Hello and welcome.

Sorry to hear about your health problems. Maybe we can help a little with your high BS levels. The key to controlling these levels is diet, and what the NHS call a healthy diet isn't suitable for Type 2's.

Use your meter to teach you where you are going wrong. If you keep a food diary and record your before meal and 2hrs after meal readings alongside, you will see a pattern emerging. The main culprits are the carbs, not just sugars, because carbs convert to glucose once inside the system. Ones to be very careful with are potatoes, bread, rice, pasta, cereals and pastry (or anything made with flour) White or brown makes little difference. @daisy1 should be here soon to give you some advice. Meanwhile, test out your meals and see what happens, but try to learn from it. Ask questions and read round the forum.
 
I hate to be the horrid one, but unless there's a typo in your height or weight, you probably are a bit chunkier than the ideal. Have you gained weight recently?
 
Thanks for the replies. Yes following a "healthy" diet which is no good for diabetics. Been reading a lot today. Need to reduce carbs. I have been prescribed gabapentin and now concerned about the side affects. Was on 3x300mg per day. Told to double this.
 
I hate to be the horrid one, but unless there's a typo in your height or weight, you probably are a bit chunkier than the ideal. Have you gained weight recently?

I have to agree. Your BMI is just over 30, so you could do with losing a stone or two. Low carb will help with this.
 
Hello @Lmj56 and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information, mentioned by @Bluetit1802, which we give to new members (even though you are not newly diagnosed) and I hope you will find it useful. Carry on asking as many questions as you need to as there is always someone who will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi and welcome. Yes, your weight is quite high for 5' 6". I'm the same height and weigh 62Kg. I suspect like many of us you have been told that a good diet is one with very low fat and 'balanced' i.e. stuff yourself with carbs. You need to ignore all the professional diet advice and go low-carb; it will work for you in terms of weight loss and blood sugar reduction. Start by aiming for 150gm/day and move up or down depending on what the meter and scales tell you.
 
Thanks again for the comments. I have put on just under a stone in 3 years. As a rugby player my playing weight was 12st 12lbs. I'm learning a lot. Thanks all.
Ps I was the lightest player in the team! Lol
 
Hi Lmj56 and welcome to the forum :)

Your leg & arm pain could be a side-effect of the medication you take, a likely cause is the statin that you are taking, you should discuss your symptoms with your gp with a view to changing to another statin to see if that helps relieve the symptoms.
 
Hi all. Just an update. Still having the muscle pains. Seeing a a neurologist. However changed diet, low carb and a bit of exercise. Readings now ran from from 6.4 to 8.6. Normally below 8.00. However due to a change in medication I was warned that I would put on weight. Not happy with that.
Regards
 
Hi LMj56,
as already pointed out to you statins do cause a lot of muscle pain and loads of other symptoms. Perhaps read the patient leaflets and also see if any of your medication clashes.
 
Hi LMj56,
as already pointed out to you statins do cause a lot of muscle pain and loads of other symptoms. Perhaps read the patient leaflets and also see if any of your medication clashes.
Hi yes that's the next step. It's stopping/replacing one at a time. Had an Emg test and that was fine, so could well be my medication
 
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