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Ideal levels?

RMK

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Hi everyone I was recently diagnosed with type 2 and take 2000mg of metformin daily. The first doctor said that I should aim for a HA1BC of 5-5.5 but when I had a review with another today she said that 7 was perfect. Any thoughts?
 
I've heard the same. The diabetic nurse who to be fair has a lot more dealings with diabetes tends to be more realistic on what's available than say a gp who reads it out of a book and it's set in stone. 7 sounds great to me but the lower the better I suppose
 
Hi everyone I was recently diagnosed with type 2 and take 2000mg of metformin daily. The first doctor said that I should aim for a HA1BC of 5-5.5 but when I had a review with another today she said that 7 was perfect. Any thoughts?
Welcome to the forum. @daisy1 will be along with some interesting information including the numbers your after.
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@RMK

Hello RMK and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members (mentioned by @Nuthead ) and I hope you will find it useful. It also gives details about levels which you are interested in. Ask all the questions you need to and someone will help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Neither is really 'right'. Most diabetics will find it difficult to get below 6.0 but some do and there is no harm in targetting below 6.0 but it could be a fools errand. A level of 7.0 it too high but typical of many HCPs who set loose targets to avoid hypos for those on insulin and ignorance. If you look at the NICE Diabetes Pathways levels you should try to stay below around 6.5%; 7.0 is certainly not 'perfect'
 
Neither is really 'right'. Most diabetics will find it difficult to get below 6.0 but some do and there is no harm in targetting below 6.0 but it could be a fools errand. A level of 7.0 it too high but typical of many HCPs who set loose targets to avoid hypos for those on insulin and ignorance. If you look at the NICE Diabetes Pathways levels you should try to stay below around 6.5%; 7.0 is certainly not 'perfect'
I get the impression that, at least amongst members of this forum who are non insulin dependent t2s, hba1c scores of less than 6% or even 5,5% are not as uncommon as you suggest.

Pavlos
 
As far as HbA1c tests go in the future, you need to aim for as low as possible. Much depends where you are on diagnosis. Most nurses will give you a target of 53 (7%) but this is still within the diabetic range.

Up to 41 (5.9%) is non-diabetic
42 to 47 (6% - 6.5%) is the pre-diabetic range
48 and above is the diabetic range

If you want to take yourself out of the diabetic range, then aim for under 48. (under 6.5%)

Also, try not to confuse these numbers with the numbers we see on our home glucose meters when we test at home. These have different measurement units, called mmol/l
 
Thanks for the feedback everyone.. Bluetit thank you making it clear, new target set..
 
Not entirely relevent, sorry, but is there any way to convert the 48 or whatever number on a blood test, to an 'average' number eg 6.5 on a daily test meter. Just that the number on HBA1c tests used to me given as 'average 6.5' or whatever, and now I get a number which means nothing to me. Any conversion chart or average please? Thanks
 
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