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BS drops very quickly

kel1985

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Type of diabetes
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Tablets (oral)
Hi, I wonder if you can help me? I am having problems with my blood sugar dropping very quickly on a morning. I am having Shreddies with milk for breakfast but when I go out shopping before lunch my sugar drops very quickly and I find myself needing to take glucose sweets etc. when I stop shopping or walking my sugar goes very high then settles again? I've got a doctors appointment on Friday but as I'm testing so much I'm using all my allotted test strips. Has anyone had similar situations?
 
Hi Kel, welcome. Can you give us some numbers and times? As a T2 I wouldn't be eating Shreddies or sweets.
 
No I don't have this happen to me at all, my liver is only too willing to help supply glucose to my blood supply :rolleyes: I know it happens to others though.
 
Hi Kel, welcome. Can you give us some numbers and times? As a T2 I wouldn't be eating Shreddies or sweets.

Have breakfast at say 8.45, Before I go out 10.15 it goes to 8-9 then by 10.50 drops to 4-5 so then I have glucose sweets and it is back to 10-11 by 11.30
 
I would be happy with mine at 4-5, that's what I aim for. It might seem low to you because you are running at higher figures sometimes, but to me 4-5 is fine.
 
What's wrong with 4-5, that's a normal non-diabetic level and what you could aim for as a well-controlled T2? The 8-9 after breakfast will be due to the Shreddies (too many carbs). What is it when you get up before showering or eating?

Are you on any meds?
 
What's wrong with 4-5, that's a normal non-diabetic level and what you could aim for as a well-controlled T2? The 8-9 after breakfast will be due to the Shreddies (too many carbs). What is it when you get up before showering or eating?

Are you on any meds?

Just metformin for the diabetes, on levothyroxine for thyroid and cholesterol and blood pressure tablets (only since I was diabetic) I know 4-5 is fine but because it drops very quickly I'm worried I'll go hypo.
 
What's wrong with 4-5, that's a normal non-diabetic level and what you could aim for as a well-controlled T2? The 8-9 after breakfast will be due to the Shreddies (too many carbs). What is it when you get up before showering or eating?

Are you on any meds?

When I get up it's between 5-6
 
They are great numbers! You are very unlikely to go hypo if you are only on metformin, it may seem like one - 'a false hypo', but I would love your numbers. If you cut out the Shreddies etc. and replaced them with a lower carb alternative breakfast your numbers could stay at non-diabetic levels maybe.
 
Hi Kel, welcome. Can you give us some numbers and times? As a T2 I wouldn't be eating Shreddies or sweets.
Hi, I was interested to read you would'nt eat shreadies with milk, because that's what I have, also Wheatabix and Porridge on alternate mornings, what do recommend for a breakfast, mind regards
 
Hi, I was interested to read you would'nt eat shreadies with milk, because that's what I have, also Wheatabix and Porridge on alternate mornings, what do recommend for a breakfast, mind regards

Hi Eijack, welcome.

Breakfast cereals and porridge are full of sugars and carbohydrates and spike me through the roof if I eat them. I have low carb breakfasts - either bacon/eggs/mushrooms/tomatoes, scrambled eggs, omelette, continental style cold meats and cheese, or full fat Greek yoghurt with some berries or nuts.
 
Just metformin for the diabetes, on levothyroxine for thyroid and cholesterol and blood pressure tablets (only since I was diabetic) I know 4-5 is fine but because it drops very quickly I'm worried I'll go hypo.
very unlikely to hypo if you're eating ok with metformin, the lowest I ever saw was 3.5 before the liver dumped 'sugar', normally I hold around 4-4.5..one way metformin works is it impairs a liver dump so you don't get as much.

as Zand said, eat a decent breakfast
 
Hi, I was interested to read you would'nt eat shreadies with milk, because that's what I have, also Wheatabix and Porridge on alternate mornings, what do recommend for a breakfast, mind regards

this will give you a good idea of LCHF and is what a lot of us are eating to keep out blood glucose and weight ok
it’s a long page and a few good video’s
http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf
For me, the more carbs we eat the more carbs we want. they don’t give up easy
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarb101/a/firstweek.htm

American Diabetic Association. Position Statement.
..; fat quality appears to be far more important than quantity.
.. Mediterranean-style, MUFA-rich [mono fats-rich] eating pattern may benefit glycemic control and CVD risk factors and can therefore be recommended as an effective alternative to a lower-fat, higher-carbohydrate eating pattern.
http://www.professional.diabetes.org/admin/UserFiles/0 - Sean/dc132042 FINAL.pdf

Doubling saturated fat in the diet does not drive up total levels of saturated fat in the blood.
http://news.osu.edu/news/2014/11/21...iet-does-not-increase-saturated-fat-in-blood/

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/a-new-low-carb-guide-for-beginners.68695/

A dietician site
http://www.lowcarbdietitian.com/blog/carbohydrate-restriction-an-option-for-diabetes-management


blood testing
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045524.php
http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/blood_glucose_monitor_testing.htm

food counting
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/
 
I agree that daisy's info would be good here, (the more info the better) the only problem I have with it in the case of the OP is that the BG's quoted in daisy's sheet are higher than those which a lot of us aim for. This could cause the OP to wrongly think she is having a hypo when she isn't. She has great BG numbers which could stay perfect on a lower carb diet (just my opinion, but like I said I am envious, I would love this 'problem')
 
I think through info given out by @daisy1 cream help in this thread for @Eijack and @Kel1985

I think this information, recommended by @Nuthead , will be useful to you, whether you are newly diagnosed or not. Carry on asking questions and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
I would urge you to try very hard not to reach for the glucose tablets when your blood gets to 4 or 5. By doing that, you seem to be pushing yourself back into the undesirable territory, of double figures.

The fact your blood comes down nicely after breakfast which is probably a bit of a challenge for most T2s is fabulous. That it seems to drop quite quickly doesn’t mean it will keep dropping. As T2s we are very fortunate in that our bodies will generally try to protect us against dangerously low blood sugars. Our livers will try to add sugar to our blood to keep things in a more comfortable range; and usually that works very well. I have never, ever found myself requiring more than a cup of tea, with milk, to counter a low feeling or reading. My body does a great job of looking after me.

Moving forward, I would suggest you consider a breakfast that might be kinder to your system, but in any case, I suggest you just observe what happens when you get to 4 or 5. You can try testing every 30 minutes (or more frequently if you are uncomfortable leaving things half an hour), and just see what the numbers do. If you feel off, and are lightheaded or queasy, then have a cup of (not too strong) tea, with milk and wait again another 20-30 minutes and see where your blood scores go. As I say, that is usually enough for me to feel more comfortable and to reach my next meal with a nice lowish reading – ready for the food I eat to do what it does – raise me up a bit more.

Please try not to worry about smaller numbers. Within reason, that’s what we’re striving for.

Good luck and keep posting. There are some very clever and helpful people on here who will help you move positively through these early days.
 
Brilliant advice above.

The only thing I can think to add is that, when you are used to 'running high' it can sometimes feel weird when you dip to lower levels.

A rapid drop (sometimes called a 'false hypo') can make you feel wobbly. But there's another feeling I get, if my blood sugar drops gently and then stays lower than my comfort zone for a while. It's a slightly hollow feeling. Not hunger, but rather a feeling of lightness.

Don't worry about these feelings unless your blood glucose goes nearer 3 than 4.
And the longer and more often you spend down in the 4s, 5s and 6s, the better your HbA1c test result will be (which is GOOD news) and the lower your chances of developing diabetic complications.

My personal goal is to never raise my blood glucose above 7 after meals, and to stay as low as possible the rest of the time. I do this by using my meter to identify foods and portion sizes that send me over 7, and then I eat less of those foods. I've stopped eating bread completely.

And my goodness, I feel so much better!

(The reason I choose lower blood glucose targets than recommended by the NHS, is because I've done some reading on this website and think that keeping my blood glucose low will help slow or prevent my diabetes from progressing)
 
I got a problem with my cholesterol levels and I think the alternative breakfast you recommend might push the cholesterol up, Best wishes
 
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