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Type 2 newly diagnosed

GIB

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Type of diabetes
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Hi, I wonder if people on the forum could shed a bit more light on type 2 diabetes than the diabetic nurse at my GP surgery has- I was diagnosed type 2 in October-the day before the family holiday to Florida-not the best place for healthy eating! Have been put on 500mg Metformin twice a day as blood sugar is apparently quite high- have only been testing myself for about a week and currently averaging 6.4 with a high of 7.8 which judging by other posts is not as high as a lot of people. Would appreciate some feedback on whether it is ok to have a few beers over the Christmas period as since end of September when I was getting bad symptoms- blurred vision, constant urination etc I have not dared have a pint-somebody did suggest have a vodka and diet mixer, tried a mouthful and couldn't stand it though! Am not going to go crazy on it just a little bit scared of the after effects so would appreciate the views of others on the subject.

Cheers,

GIB
 
Hi there @GIB Welcome to the forum.

Firstly I'm going to tag @daisy1 who will be along with a very long list of very useful information for newcomers.

As with regards the beer I used to drink quite a bit I have managed to cut back, people on here refer to it as liquid bread so it can spike you.

You need to be eating when your drinking or at least eaten and not drink on an empty stomach.

I usually test while I drink, wine and spirits seem to be OK although wine seems to pull all my figures down.

Neil
 
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If you like the effects of alc then reducing intake might not help your alc desires.

What it is all about is the Metformin needs your help by you not binging, to the degree that 3 meals and 2 snacks are good because it spreads the insulin demand so binging on anything is counter productive.

If you can enjoy a few drinks without a binge then you should be able to work it into your repetoire.
 
Many thanks for the advice as was a little worried to even try a drink but after cutting out just about everything else that I used to enjoy would like to be able to enjoy the odd pint or two without anxiety of thinking I am severely damaging myself. On the upside am over a stone and a half lighter and am dropping clothes sizes by the week! Wasn't overtly obese before but was carrying a bit too much round the middle! Unfortunately I don't drink wine or spirits although did spirits in my younger days but tried a vodka last night and couldn't even stand a mouthful of it.

Thanks again

GIB
 
@GIB

Hello GIB and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions when you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Many thanks for the advice as was a little worried to even try a drink but after cutting out just about everything else that I used to enjoy would like to be able to enjoy the odd pint or two without anxiety of thinking I am severely damaging myself. On the upside am over a stone and a half lighter and am dropping clothes sizes by the week! Wasn't overtly obese before but was carrying a bit too much round the middle! Unfortunately I don't drink wine or spirits although did spirits in my younger days but tried a vodka last night and couldn't even stand a mouthful of it.

Thanks again

GIB
Hi, you do need to test and see how it affects you, often in beer sugar is added and therefore not all the sugar has turned to alcohol where it has in most spirits. If you do have spirits and want a mixer then you would need to have either diet version or soda water.
I am told but not tried yet that the 'Pils' Light beers all the sugars have been turned to alcohol and therefore you do not get the spikes.

Where beer normally raises your blood levels in the short term it will then bring your sugars down, sometimes it can be quite considerable. so you need to know if your sugars are getting low. Advice given to me by both the Doctor & Pharmacist was do not drink alone because of the Metformin the slim possibility of very low sugars if you have a lot of alcohol.

See how you get on
Neil
 
Hi Gib and welcome to the club.

You seem to be doing well so far. If you keep posting on the forum and asking questions it will all fall into place.

The others are right. Red wine and dry white wine are fine, plus most spirits. It is beer that is the difficult one so although you don't need to abstain, you do need to be careful. Never drink on an empty stomach, and do it in moderation.

Have fun and good luck!
 
image.jpg To the forum GIB.
 
Hi and welcome. Those current sugar readings are quite good. Although the Metformin leaflet says to avoid alcohol, in practice it appears to be OK if taken sensibly and you don't have other health problems. As others have said, some beers and cider etc have residual carbs left which can raise BS a bit, but in general most if not all the carbs will have been converted to alcohol which has very little effect on BS. I'm on max dose Met as well as insulin and will be having some alcohol over Christmas as usual, but not too much.
 
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