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brottonmoores

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi being new here I was diagnosed with type 2 2 weeks ago after a night in hospital with mild chest pain my heart and lungs were fine but my blood sugar was a bit high 28.8. After seeing a nurse from the diabetic clinic I was given Gliclazide 80mg 2 to be taken twice a day and metaformin 500mg one to be taken twice a day and told to make an appointment to visit my local diabetic clinic
At my first visit the nurse told me I didnt need the Gliclazide to up the metaformin to 3 a day and it was a knee jerk reaction from the hospital
While I was taking both sets of tablets my blood sugar was at 6 to 7 but since stopping the Gliclazide my blood sugar is between 10&12 ish now I'm a bit confused the hospital said test my blood twice a day my local nurse said twice a week was more than enough more confusion!!!
I'm testing my blood (bought my own strips) until I work out what I can and cant eat I am also told I don't need to see a dietitian which I would love to talk to
I'm Seeing the practice nurse on the 29th and hopefully I might have more useful questions to ask her
Is it common practise for local practice nurses to differ in advice from diabetic clinic nurses?
Many thanks for reading
What a rotten time to be diagnosed!!!!!!
Jan
 
Hi being new here I was diagnosed with type 2 2 weeks ago after a night in hospital with mild chest pain my heart and lungs were fine but my blood sugar was a bit high 28.8. After seeing a nurse from the diabetic clinic I was given Gliclazide 80mg 2 to be taken twice a day and metaformin 500mg one to be taken twice a day and told to make an appointment to visit my local diabetic clinic
At my first visit the nurse told me I didnt need the Gliclazide to up the metaformin to 3 a day and it was a knee jerk reaction from the hospital
While I was taking both sets of tablets my blood sugar was at 6 to 7 but since stopping the Gliclazide my blood sugar is between 10&12 ish now I'm a bit confused the hospital said test my blood twice a day my local nurse said twice a week was more than enough more confusion!!!
I'm testing my blood (bought my own strips) until I work out what I can and cant eat I am also told I don't need to see a dietitian which I would love to talk to
I'm Seeing the practice nurse on the 29th and hopefully I might have more useful questions to ask her
Is it common practise for local practice nurses to differ in advice from diabetic clinic nurses?
Many thanks for reading
What a rotten time to be diagnosed!!!!!!
Jan
Wow.

Hi, and welcome!

Yes, there are often very mixed messages from different people within the NHS. Doctors often pass diabetics straight to the diabetic nurse within the practice (although as far as I have seen, many of then have remarkably little specialist training). Diabetic clinic staff usually have MUCH more training and experience. Clinic staff, esp consultant, should trump anything from the doctor/nurse at your practice. Although getting your doc/nurse to understand this may take a written letter from the consultant.

Has anyone told you what your blood glucose levels should be?
Have a look at this link, if they haven't:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html

Personally, I would NOT be happy with levels consistently in the 10-12 range and I would either insist on going back on the Gliclazide, or I would change my diet (well done for self testing and eating to your meter!) to reduce my BG that way.

It will be interesting to see if you get any sensible advice from the dietician (people report very different experiences!). Maybe read up on carbs, different diet advice (low GI, low carb, low carb high fat, etc) before you go. That way, if you are given bad advice, at least you will be able to spot it!

:)
You have come to the right place. This forum will give you everything you need to negotiate the maze that is the NHS, including recipes, advice and support.

Stick around! And keep testing. I think it is the single best thing I can do to control my diabetes, because it informs everything I eat, and allows me to keep my BG to un-harmful levels.
 
HI. Diabetic advice within the NHS is a real lottery and many of us have suffered from this confusion and lack of knowledge. Basically if you are overweight then Metformin is the first tablet of choice as it helps to reduce insulin resistance that arises from stored fat. Note that for most people it only reduces blood sugar by 1 to 2 mmol. If you are normal or underweight at diagnosis it tends to be because your pancreas is failing to produce enough insulin so the body can't use the carbs you eat so you effectively 'starve' the body. Gliclazide stimulates the remaining good islet cells to produce more insulin. It's effects can vary from quite dramatic depending on dose to virutally nothing. For example as I'm a LADA I was on max dose for years and it had no effect showing my pancreas was failing. My diabetes GP started me on Metformin, wrongly, as he didn't spot I was thin; an example of NHS ignorance. So, for you, a lot depends on your BMI. If you are quite thin then insist on going back on Gliclazide. If not then Metformin may be useful. Either way as others have said, diet is key to keep the carbs down. BTW NICE Diabetes Guidelines/Pathways talk about when to prescribe the above tablets in line with what I've said. Sadly HCPs don't have time to keep up.
 
Hi @brottonmoores, & welcome, I see you figures were quite high until you got the medication and it appears that it does need sorting. You have been given some superb advice above.

As a new member we usually get @daisy1 to come along with a long list of exceptionally useful information.

Please look round the forum and ask as many questions as you wish there is lot of experienced people here that will be only too pleased to help

Neil
 
image.jpg Brottenmoores welcome to the forum.
 
@brottonmoores

Hello Jan and welcome to the forum :)

You have already received some interesting answers from members and to add to these, here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find this useful. Carry on asking questions and members will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Thank you for your advice it's something to ponder I have just had a phone from the nurse at our clinic she told me to take a Gliclazide in the mornings as my blood tests where a bit high so I wil see how things go over the hols.
Can someone remind me what thin is? I Think the last time I was thin was at school so I guess it's going to be a slog to reduce my weight hopefully lack of sugar and bad carbs might help.
Does stress affect anyone elses blood sugar?
Thanks again for your advice
Have a happy and blessed Christmas or Yule
Jan
 
Hi. I guess a BMI of around 25 is in the right region. I've been lucky all my life able to eat without any noticeable weight gain. Yes, stress can increase blood sugar as illness can
 
Hi Welcome, my blood sugars were the same as yours, also diagnosed in hospital. there our similarity stops, I saw my gps diabetic nurse the next morning and weekly since then, with phone calls if I needed. checking my bloods all the time for the nurse to assess and then decide on upping meds accordingly.
I have been confused but supported well, Im sorry you havnt had the same NHS experience it shouldn't be a lottery. You must insist that they sort out what you should be doing, they are supposed to be the professionals??? This site is great just keep asking and reading. take care:)
 
Hi @brottonmoores , welcome and Merry Christmas (even if you've had a rotten 'present').

Lots of advice on here though, and it can be managed. For low carb diets, have a read of the thread linked in my sig below, and at www.dietdoctor.com/LCHF.
 
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