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Just been diagnosed as Diabetic

pc.blogs

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi all,

I visited my GP at 09.20 yesterday morning, this was following advice given to me from the NHS website. Basically I have noticed how much i was drinking and the always thirsty feeling.

The doctor did a blood test and bluntly told me i was diabetic and prescribed 500mg of metformin twice a day, then referred me to their diabetic clinic for further testing next week.
The test result on his device read 19.8. I had porridge for breakfast about two hours before.

End to end - 10 minutes maximum. If I'm honest I'm a bit shocked by the whole thing since reading up on the internet and only now understand that the reading of 19.8 is quite high.

I would welcome any comments/thoughts on this. All seems to be a bit sudden!

Many thanks

Phil
 
Hi all,

I visited my GP at 09.20 yesterday morning, this was following advice given to me from the NHS website. Basically I have noticed how much i was drinking and the always thirsty feeling.

The doctor did a blood test and bluntly told me i was diabetic and prescribed 500mg of metformin twice a day, then referred me to their diabetic clinic for further testing next week.
The test result on his device read 19.8. I had porridge for breakfast about two hours before.

End to end - 10 minutes maximum. If I'm honest I'm a bit shocked by the whole thing since reading up on the internet and only now understand that the reading of 19.8 is quite high.

I would welcome any comments/thoughts on this. All seems to be a bit sudden!

Many thanks

Phil


Hi Phil.

@daisy will be along at some point to post some information to you as a new member which will take some of the mystery out of the bewilderment .... so let's just wait for that.

Meantime however, yep, 19.8 at 2 hours post breakfast is too high, but I've seen / heard of much worse. In preparation for your testing next week, you'll need to be armed with the right questions and you'll get the answers here.

First up, make sure you cut down / cut out pastas, chips, potatoes, biscuits, chocolates, straight fruit juices, fizzy drinks, beers and load up on fish (not battered) above ground leafy vegetables (spinach, cabbage, cauliflower) chicken, turkey, lean meats and water. Diet is almost everything but so is weight and so is exercise.

Could you give us some clues regarding what you eat, your weight / height?

Do NOT worry ...... there's a way through this and you have found the right place with some magnificent people who REALLY know what they're talking about.

Mike :)
 
@pc.blogs

Hello Phil and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask all the questions you need to and someone will come along and help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Welcome to the forum
A great post from Mike and I can't really add anything.

Daisy's post is a great bit of information and all I can add is that if you are in England you now as a diabetic on medication are entitled to free prescriptions however you need to get a form for this from your nurse or Dr and apply for a medical exemption card .
 
Thank you for your speedy replies, i really appreciate your support.

Some facts and figures to complete the picture...

Age - 50
Height - 5:10
Weight - 96.6
BMI - 30.5

Sancho - thanks for the note re prescription charges. Every cloud has a silver lining! Can you advise whether I am entitled to get testing kit? or would it be better/quicker if i purchase my own?


Thanks again
 
Thank you for your speedy replies, i really appreciate your support.

Some facts and figures to complete the picture...

Age - 50
Height - 5:10
Weight - 96.6
BMI - 30.5

Sancho - thanks for the note re prescription charges. Every cloud has a silver lining! Can you advise whether I am entitled to get testing kit? or would it be better/quicker if i purchase my own?


Thanks again

Gidday pc blogs :)

Diet details please ? Just some clues as your weight suggests some work ahead and we might be able to help:)

Nite Mike
 
Thank you for your speedy replies, i really appreciate your support.

Some facts and figures to complete the picture...

Age - 50
Height - 5:10
Weight - 96.6
BMI - 30.5

Sancho - thanks for the note re prescription charges. Every cloud has a silver lining! Can you advise whether I am entitled to get testing kit? or would it be better/quicker if i purchase my own?


Thanks again
It's worth asking about a testing kit however as most will tell you on here if you are a T2 you are unlikely to get one, many of us purchase our own the meters are cheap but the strips can be expensive @Bluetit1802
Will have some information on the cheapest and I believe knows some offer codes for them
 
Hi and welcome!

You are here - which may be the biggest and best step you can make in understanding and controlling your diabetes. :D

I suggest you take some time to read the suggestions above, and start to put them into action.
The SD Codefree meter is the cheapest I know of, and it works for me (available Amazon and EBay, so could be with you in 2 days).

Beyond that, it may take weeks for your clinic appt to come through, so I would have a good read of the forum in the interim. You'll find all sorts, all diets, all opinions here, and you will quickly find what works for you and your body.

My personal view is that reading and posting on the forum plays a huge part of my diabetes control, so I encourage you to take an active part. :)
 
Hello and welcome to the forum.
My GP gave me a form to complete and return to the surgery which meant I got a prescription payment exemption card (very quickly)
Don't try to take it all on board at once.
A meter is the best idea to help discover what foods are good or not so good for you.
Take care,
Bee Gee
 
Hi and welcome I am sure you will soon begin to cope with your diabetes but of course it is always a shock when you are not expecting that. Doctors can be a bit off hand when they tell you but they are diagnosing diabetes every day and tend to forget that it is a shock for patients when they are told they have it.
You will get some good advice here and if you decide to get a meter then try not to get to anxious about the results you get they are never 100% accurate with a finger prick test so they are not always what we want to see.... this is one of the reasons they don't really like T2's testing as a lot of people do get quite paranoid about it.... Just use it as a guide to see what you can eat and what raises your BG higher than you want. You have to try testing three or four times with a food to get an average of what it does to you BG levels everyone is different on what they can tolerate Most cut out all sugar foods and lower their carbs especially starchy ones like bread rice and pasta some can eat a little of those some none at all Good luck
 
Get the form completed by GP for free prescriptions as a priority.... Personally until this is signed off and officially in the system you could be liable under the NHS fines system to get a fine if you haven't got your exemption card. Thats a priority as is a blood meter.. Codefrees are cheaper to buy if it turns out that your GP is going to be another that considers home testing of no value.
It is worthwhile asking for one, but be ready to be rejected out of hand...
 
Hi, welcome :)

Yes most of us went through the sheep dip of brusque diagnosis and despatch to the diabetes clinic/nurse. Have a good read around here first and ask any questions. You should start by reducing carb intake as already mentioned, many of us do that quite significantly - it's a good way to lose weight as well. You will probably find that the diabetic clinic advise the opposite, i.e. eat carbs with every meal. This is ridiculous (carbs turn to sugar very quickly) and wrong.

Have a read of the thread in my sig below, start testing yourself (despite what the GP and DN might say) and good luck!
 
Hello and welcome.
You will probably find the information on this site much more useful than anything the doctor tells you. You will need to spend some time reading up on diet, blood glucose readings, etc, but if you stick at it, it will settle down, you will lose some weight and your readings will go down. Good luck.
 
Hello and welcome ...

Lots of reading to do .....you will soon find what is right for you to start off with , but you may learn much more later ..you just need to get started ...
Good that you have been refered to a clinic ...you can ask them lots of questions ...hope they give you lots of support to ...you just need a few good health practitioners.....

You have been given some great starting advice , I can't add anymore.....
Just let us know how you get on if you would like to ....take care ...the shock does get easier, but it is always a nasty shock

Bestbwishes ...kat
 
I'd recommend you switch to a low carb breakfast such as eggs (and bacon if you like bacon). Nothing spikes my blood sugar as much a porridge for breakfast does. Nasty stuff.
 
Thanks everyone, what a warm welcome! I'm humbled by your openness to share.

What i'm finding difficult, is the fact the Dr. stated the BG result was conclusive, he only took one sample, a five second reading and that was that. Is it possible that the diabetic clinic will make a different diagnosis based on further testing and perhaps the first reading was a spike as it were?

Is type 2 reversible? Will i have to manage my diabetes for life?

Sorry for the basic questions - i've read all the advice above, but to be honest I'm struggling to take in all the info.

Funny how something like this has given me the motivation to lose weight! I think my problem is that I stay in hotels a lot for work, and have been wining and dining without any consideration to my health.

Regards

Phil
 
Thanks everyone, what a warm welcome! I'm humbled by your openness to share.

What i'm finding difficult, is the fact the Dr. stated the BG result was conclusive, he only took one sample, a five second reading and that was that. Is it possible that the diabetic clinic will make a different diagnosis based on further testing and perhaps the first reading was a spike as it were?

Is type 2 reversible? Will i have to manage my diabetes for life?

Sorry for the basic questions - i've read all the advice above, but to be honest I'm struggling to take in all the info.

Funny how something like this has given me the motivation to lose weight! I think my problem is that I stay in hotels a lot for work, and have been wining and dining without any consideration to my health.

Regards

Phil
A single reading that high indicates diabetes, assuming your hands were clean at the time of testing. You will get more lab tests done that will provide more info, like the HbA1c test.

Type 2 may be reversed in some people (although this is controversial) and controlled by many people through diet and exercise. Yes, you will most likely have to manage it for the rest of your life.

To control it (i.e. lower your blood sugar levels) get a personal blood glucose meter and test yourself before and after meals. reduce the amount of carbs in your meals until you get levels you're happy with.

This website explains how to do it: http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045524.php

The key to remember is that carbs will raise your blood sugar level. Therefore, reducing carbs will result in lower blood glucose levels. As a bonus, you may find that you can lose weight much more easily on a low carb/high fat diet than on the government recommended low fat high carb diet.
 
Hi,

It is perfectly natural to hope this is a bad dream... But I think a reading of 19 is pretty conclusive.

Most non diabetics are under 7.8 two hours after meals.
Occasionally, after a hugely carby meal they might hit 11.
19, even allowing for the inevitable variation in meters and margin for meter error, is high.

The clinic will, of course, confirm things properly.
As will your own tests, if you get yourself a meter.

Regarding reversability, that is a topic for endless debate on this forum. :D

The reality is that no one knows.
Weight loss (if overweight), diet, and exercise may allow some people to 'reverse' their symptoms. For some of those, they can eat whatever they like, and stay at normal blood glucose levels.

But this doesn't work for everyone - because different people have different causes for their diabetes (it isn't always excess weight and a fatty liver).

Nor do we know if the reversal is permanent - it will take decades before we have stats on that.

Have a read (google and on the forum) about the Newcastle Diet, and you will see what a big topic this is.
 
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