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Newly Diagnosed Type 2 - head in a spin

Providence 62

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Hello Everyone,

I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes on the 6th January. I have about 10 days to wait before I have my first appointment with the nurse.

My doc has referred me to the diabetic clinic and sorted out my prescriptions and given me a flu jab. He has put me on metformin 500mg twice daily.

I am at a bit of a loss as to what to do now. The metformin is causing some rather fun stomach symptoms, but I understand that this is not unusual.

I haven't the foggiest clue what to eat and what not to eat and i looks likely that I won't have a clue until I visit the nurse. Any suggestions what I do in this interim period?

Many thanks. This looks like an excellent site to get advice and support from very experienced people.

~P~
 
Hello Everyone,

I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes on the 6th January. I have about 10 days to wait before I have my first appointment with the nurse.

My doc has referred me to the diabetic clinic and sorted out my prescriptions and given me a flu jab. He has put me on metformin 500mg twice daily.

I am at a bit of a loss as to what to do now. The metformin is causing some rather fun stomach symptoms, but I understand that this is not unusual.

I haven't the foggiest clue what to eat and what not to eat and i looks likely that I won't have a clue until I visit the nurse. Any suggestions what I do in this interim period?

Many thanks. This looks like an excellent site to get advice and support from very experienced people.

~P~
Hello and welcome to the forum daisy1will soon be along with great advice.
 
Welcome Providence.

You are in the right place, trust me.

First up, Metformin does affect people in different ways (me, no issues, others, nausea etc) The slow release versions seem to cause the least problems.

Sooooooooooo .... food (and drink). Let's get straight down to that so you don't either starve or eat the wrong stuff.

INS:

Eggs / bacon / lean meats / chicken / turkey (avoid the cooked skin if you can for the time being and just stick to the meat) hi meat content sausages (85%) fish (NOT battered) so salmon, tuna, mackerel, etc etc., vegetables (leafy greens) spinach, lettuce, kale, cauliflower, broccoli, zucchini. That's just a start and there's lots more as you take it all in. MANY people here subscribe to the low carb hi fat diet (LCHF ... you'll see that a LOT on here) and it works for them and yours truly .... that means cream, yoghurt (full fat) are OK as well.

AS for drinks, tea (green) and water are fine and (again) others can branch out a little bit in that regard. Hi (85%) cocoa content chocolate in SMALL doses are OK too ! Nuts (walnuts / cashews unsalted) are also OK for most.

OUTS:

No potatoes and below ground vegetables as they're full of starch, no wheat or wheat products, no biscuits, no pasta, no bread, no sweets and no fizzy drinks. There'll be lots more info available as you search the forums and @daisy1 will be long in due course to provide you a great rundown.

OTHER:

You'll need to get a blood glucose meter to test your blood sugar levels and if you could post the numbers you rcvd on your diagnoss, we'll have a good idea of where you're at.

You CAN control this thing and with good diet, weight loss (if that happens to apply to you) and exercise, you'll be fine. Ask as many questions as you like as you'll get a wealth of info on here.

Mike :)

P.S What do you eat now as a guide? We can then suggest some tweaking if need be.
 
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@Providence 62

Hello and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Regarding Metformin, it is very common to get problems and maybe you can ask for the Metformin SR (slow release) version which has far less side effects. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hello Lorraine, Mike D, NoCrbs and Daisy,

Thank you all so much for your advice, it has made me feel a lot less confused and frightened.

@Mike D - a couple of years back I decided to lose some weight and used the Charles Clark high protein diet - not only did I lose weight, but I felt pretty good too. I find I get along well with low carb, so no huge hardships there. I do occasionally get a bit of a craving for something sweet. Any advice to offer on that? You mentioned drinking chocolate, is the low cal stuff any good? I don't have a meter as yet, the doc said it wasn't necessary at this stage. I am quite tempted to get one as I am the sort of woman who likes to keep an eye on things!

@daisy1 - thank you so much for all the helpful advice. This again suggests that it may be an idea for me to get a blood testing meter! I like all the question suggestions for the diabetic clinic.

Thanks all for the heads up about the scammer.


~P~
 
Hello Lorraine, Mike D, NoCrbs and Daisy,

Thank you all so much for your advice, it has made me feel a lot less confused and frightened.

@Mike D - a couple of years back I decided to lose some weight and used the Charles Clark high protein diet - not only did I lose weight, but I felt pretty good too. I find I get along well with low carb, so no huge hardships there. I do occasionally get a bit of a craving for something sweet. Any advice to offer on that? You mentioned drinking chocolate, is the low cal stuff any good? I don't have a meter as yet, the doc said it wasn't necessary at this stage. I am quite tempted to get one as I am the sort of woman who likes to keep an eye on things!

@daisy1 - thank you so much for all the helpful advice. This again suggests that it may be an idea for me to get a blood testing meter! I like all the question suggestions for the diabetic clinic.

Thanks all for the heads up about the scammer.


~P~
Hi Providence

Good :)

In response to your comments

1. Scrap everything sweet from the home. 2 weeks from now you won't miss them. When you feel better (and you will ... A LOT better) you'll wonder why you ever consumed this rubbish.

2. Drinking chocolate I have no opinion as I never drank it ... I was referring to dark chocolate (pieces) small.

3.. Ignore the doctor ... he has NO idea ... get a meter as this is YOUR life and YOUR body and you test at your own leisure, NOT his

Mike :)
 
Hi some great advice above
The only thing I can add is that if you pay for your prescriptions you now as a diabetic qualify for free prescriptions you need a medical exemption form your nurse or Dr will give you one,
The nhs is having a crackdown on people claiming free prescriptions and if you don't have a certificate you will be fined

Welcome to the forum
 
Hi and welcome. You have already had good advice. Be careful when you see the nurse as some NHS nurses still push out the 'eat carbs with every meal' mantra which is out-dated and harmful to us. Keep the carbs down. BTW If the Metformin stomach issues don't disappear with a week or two then do ask the GP to swap you to Metformin SR (Slow Release) which is much better.
 
Hello Everyone,

I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes on the 6th January. I have about 10 days to wait before I have my first appointment with the nurse.

My doc has referred me to the diabetic clinic and sorted out my prescriptions and given me a flu jab. He has put me on metformin 500mg twice daily.

I am at a bit of a loss as to what to do now. The metformin is causing some rather fun stomach symptoms, but I understand that this is not unusual.

I haven't the foggiest clue what to eat and what not to eat and i looks likely that I won't have a clue until I visit the nurse. Any suggestions what I do in this interim period?

Many thanks. This looks like an excellent site to get advice and support from very experienced people.

~P~

Hi & welcome. You've come to the right place :). There are lots of books out there that you could buy - some good and some not so - read their reviews before purchasing. My advice (as a pre-diabetic) would be to spend as much time as you can browsing the threads on here that apply to and interest you. The advice and support on here is brilliant :D.

What I have learnt is to cut/reduce your carbs and lower your sugar intake too. I started reducing my carbs only a week ago and now have a fasting reading of below 7. Previous tests, including finger prick tests at the Drs (I'm not good with needles :eek:) have been 7.2, 7.3 and the most recent which was done with a full blood test was 7.4). I had a 6.6 this morning. I've virtually cut out bread (other than wholemeal), pasta and potatoes/root veggies.

Good luck and keep us posted :)
 
Hi Providence, welcome. Reduce your carbs now as recommended above and be prepared for conflicting (wrong) advice from the DN. Don't panic, you can manage this. Have a read of the thread in my sig below. Good luck and ask any questions.
 
Thank you everyone for all this brilliant information. I always wondered why diabetics are told to eat starchy food when it is quite patently not good for us. Low carb makes a lot of sense to me. I have low carbed in the past to lose weight and find it relatively easy once I get through the initial few days. Am looking into glucose meters - I am not terribly good with needles, but I suppose I have to get over that.

~P~
 
I don't think any of us like using the lancets but it's a small price to pay. If you should ever need to have insulin in the future the good news is that the needles for that are virtually painless.
 
Am looking into glucose meters - I am not terribly good with needles, but I suppose I have to get over that.
~P~

You don't see any needles except when changing lancets, it's just a spring-loaded device (adjustable!) that pricks your finger to a depth of a mm or less - just enough to provide a droplet of blood. Most of us use the SD Codefree because the strips are the most cost-effective (about £7 for 50, less with bulk orders).
 
Hello Lorraine, Mike D, NoCrbs and Daisy,

Thank you all so much for your advice, it has made me feel a lot less confused and frightened.

@Mike D - a couple of years back I decided to lose some weight and used the Charles Clark high protein diet - not only did I lose weight, but I felt pretty good too. I find I get along well with low carb, so no huge hardships there. I do occasionally get a bit of a craving for something sweet. Any advice to offer on that? You mentioned drinking chocolate, is the low cal stuff any good? I don't have a meter as yet, the doc said it wasn't necessary at this stage. I am quite tempted to get one as I am the sort of woman who likes to keep an eye on things!

@daisy1 - thank you so much for all the helpful advice. This again suggests that it may be an idea for me to get a blood testing meter! I like all the question suggestions for the diabetic clinic.

Thanks all for the heads up about the scammer.


~P~
Hello and welcome !
I found a brilliant virtually carb free hot chocolate idea on here and have it most nights now- pure cocoa powder, I use less than a teaspoon, sweetener, I use canderel, mix with boiling water, add a dash of cream - so much nicer than the low calorie ones that are 5 gm carbs!
 
Hello and welcome !
I found a brilliant virtually carb free hot chocolate idea on here and have it most nights now- pure cocoa powder, I use less than a teaspoon, sweetener, I use canderel, mix with boiling water, add a dash of cream - so much nicer than the low calorie ones that are 5 gm carbs!

Thanks for this Kimbo, I am trying to go cold turkey on the chocolate front, but this is useful if it all gets too much for me. :)
 
You don't see any needles except when changing lancets, it's just a spring-loaded device (adjustable!) that pricks your finger to a depth of a mm or less - just enough to provide a droplet of blood. Most of us use the SD Codefree because the strips are the most cost-effective (about £7 for 50, less with bulk orders).

That is exactly the meter I was looking at on Amazon, mainly because of the very reasonable price of the strips. May well order it later today. Thank you for the advice.
 
Hi & welcome. You've come to the right place :). There are lots of books out there that you could buy - some good and some not so - read their reviews before purchasing. My advice (as a pre-diabetic) would be to spend as much time as you can browsing the threads on here that apply to and interest you. The advice and support on here is brilliant :D.

What I have learnt is to cut/reduce your carbs and lower your sugar intake too. I started reducing my carbs only a week ago and now have a fasting reading of below 7. Previous tests, including finger prick tests at the Drs (I'm not good with needles :eek:) have been 7.2, 7.3 and the most recent which was done with a full blood test was 7.4). I had a 6.6 this morning. I've virtually cut out bread (other than wholemeal), pasta and potatoes/root veggies.

Good luck and keep us posted :)


Thanks for this Tiger Lily. After reading your figures, I am coming round to the idea of the glucose meter. I am not sure which book to get, but am using Charles Clark's 'The New High Protein Diet' which gives me some idea of what I should or should not be eating.

~P~
 
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