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Fed up with constant high morning levels!

satindoll said:
I'm sure you have been told the morning numbers are the last to come down, your body has to learn to cope with lower bs levels, it takes time you will have to be little more patient, as your daytime numbers improve so your morning numbers will lower too, it could well be your liver impairment has an effect on your morning numbers, just give yourself a break and stop fretting, fretting won't help.
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Thank you, Jack told me further up the thread, first time I've read that and it gives me hope :) And I'll ask about my liver function when I see the doc, thanks.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
It is people on insulin that often have a carb snack at bedtime to keep their overnight levels up and prevent hypos. The rest of us should not eat carbs at bedtime - it will raise your levels just as it does during the day. If you must have a snack at bedtime, have cheese, and defo no carbs at all.
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Thank you, it's usually cheese that I have, but sometimes a couple of crispbread that don't affect me at any other time of day, but will stop them.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
I've just noticed you are on Gliclazide. I believe this is a drug that encourages your pancreas to produce more insulin. As you have cut your carbs right down you will need less insulin to cope with these lower amounts. Maybe you should discuss this with your doctor and consider dropping the dose a bit? You could well be having a glut of insulin in your body with nothing for it to do. This may not be helping your levels, it will certainly not be helping with any weight loss because excess insulin in the body gets stored as fat. I'm no doctor, so could be wrong, but it is worth discussing this at your next appointment.
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Thank you, that makes real sense! They only increased the gliclazide from 3 to 4 pills last month, about a week before I started to low carb so I probably don't need the extra one.
I think you may have found the answer, thank you! :cool:
Will phone the diabetic nurse in the morning.
 
Daffodils1 said:
I know, it is a bit baffling isn't it. Maybe we should should poll on who eats what, if anything before bed, and what does it do for bs nos?!

I tend to eat by eight and have no bed time snack, but maybe I should snack on something?
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Worth a try, I'm sticking to cheese from now on though, no crispbread at bedtime!
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Some people find a small amount of cheese is useful at bedtime to help combat the liver dump, but I find cheese makes me dream too much , and I am one of the lucky ones that rarely gets a liver dump. I have never been a snacker, never allowed to as a child, so 3 meals a day does me, and on lchf I am never hungry. On the odd occasion I do feel a bit peckish I have a decaf with double cream.
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I've started having cocoa at bedtime too, made with water and add doublr cream, lovely!
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Has your cocoa got carbs? I have no idea as I never drink it. Have you checked the container?
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Green & Black's do a Organic Sugar Free Cocoa powder that should be low-carb friendly, seen it in the supermarket but unsure of the carb content.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Has your cocoa got carbs? I have no idea as I never drink it. Have you checked the container?
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I use Green And Blacks Organic Cocoa Fair Trade, comes in a 125G (incidently, 70p off in Tesco till 3rd March!) which has 12.5 carbs per 100g, I use a small tsp so carbs will be negligible. It's good with milk but even better with water and double cream :)
 
I've just come across this page http://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/blog/diabetes-metformin-and-your-liver/ which got me wondering if I should change the way I take my metformim. I'm taking 2 with breakfast and 2 with evening meal, but this article suggests taking one 4 times a day is better, taking one at night to help prevent the moring liver dump.

I don't only get the liver dump in the morning, I seem to get it whenever I get huungry so maybe taking them spread throughout the day would be better for me?
What do you think, does anyone else take their metformin this way and does it help?
 
Just MY opinion and my opinion only as I'm not qualified ... but I would spread them.
 
it is recomended to take the metformin with meals, but I wonder if it would not be more effective every 8 hr. what is your experiance? please share .
 
rowan said:
I use Green And Blacks Organic Cocoa Fair Trade, comes in a 125G (incidently, 70p off in Tesco till 3rd March!) which has 12.5 carbs per 100g, I use a small tsp so carbs will be negligible. It's good with milk but even better with water and double cream :)
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Thats how I make my hot chocolate at bedtime and so much better than the sugar filled branded rubbish! Hot water and cream so much better than milk! Virtually zero carb;)
 
rowan said:
And I can now use my laptop without reading glasses again, so some things are definitely improving
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Oh yes... this bit was soooo scary... first going soooo blurry eyed.... after lowering the sugar, I couldn't focus from a close distance. Now: perfect :D, amazing isn't it? :wideyed:
 
Bluetit1802 said:
I've just noticed you are on Gliclazide. I believe this is a drug that encourages your pancreas to produce more insulin. As you have cut your carbs right down you will need less insulin to cope with these lower amounts. Maybe you should discuss this with your doctor and consider dropping the dose a bit? You could well be having a glut of insulin in your body with nothing for it to do. This may not be helping your levels, it will certainly not be helping with any weight loss because excess insulin in the body gets stored as fat. I'm no doctor, so could be wrong, but it is worth discussing this at your next appointment.
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I mentioned this to rowan in a previous post. It certainly didn't help me at all, I stopped it after 2 weeks when saw all my acne coming back... my morning levels didn't come down properly until I stopped it.
 
rowan said:
I was always told to have a carb snack at bedtime 'to get you through the night' but I don't know now whether to have a no-carb or low carb snack! Comes to something when you hear medical advice and then do the opposite!
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May I suggest... Low carb...? I've be
rowan said:
I've just come across this page http://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/blog/diabetes-metformin-and-your-liver/ which got me wondering if I should change the way I take my metformim. I'm taking 2 with breakfast and 2 with evening meal, but this article suggests taking one 4 times a day is better, taking one at night to help prevent the moring liver dump.

I don't only get the liver dump in the morning, I seem to get it whenever I get huungry so maybe taking them spread throughout the day would be better for me?
What do you think, does anyone else take their metformin this way and does it help?
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Are you taking standard or slow release? both approaches (4 times a day or morning and evening had worked for me) At the moment I take slow release 2 in the morning and 2 in the evenings. But I have done 4 a day before been diabetic.
 
rick bue said:
it is recomended to take the metformin with meals, but I wonder if it would not be more effective every 8 hr. what is your experiance? please share .
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Both approaches had worked for me before, I take slow release tablets twice a day, but had taken 4 spread out through the day in the past.
 
rowan said:
I've just come across this page http://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/blog/diabetes-metformin-and-your-liver/ which got me wondering if I should change the way I take my metformim. I'm taking 2 with breakfast and 2 with evening meal, but this article suggests taking one 4 times a day is better, taking one at night to help prevent the moring liver dump.

I don't only get the liver dump in the morning, I seem to get it whenever I get huungry so maybe taking them spread throughout the day would be better for me?
What do you think, does anyone else take their metformin this way and does it help?
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rowan said:
I've just come across this page http://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/blog/diabetes-metformin-and-your-liver/ which got me wondering if I should change the way I take my metformim. I'm taking 2 with breakfast and 2 with evening meal, but this article suggests taking one 4 times a day is better, taking one at night to help prevent the moring liver dump.

I don't only get the liver dump in the morning, I seem to get it whenever I get huungry so maybe taking them spread throughout the day would be better for me?
What do you think, does anyone else take their metformin this way and does it help?
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Hi Rowen,
I am on metformin, 2 twice per day.
I have 2 first thing in the morning and the other at bedtime. I have always taken them like that, my reasoning being I won't forget to take them.
Have only been testing for a week or so, but yes every morning bs is higher than the night before.

Apart from the other day when i had had apple crumble for pudding. Yes I know very naughy, have been told off. But I am now back on the waggon, and like you want to get my bs down before going back to nurse in April.
 
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