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Cholesterol gone up on LCHF?

Sorry, I just do notunderstand all this "diet does not affect cholesterol" as an argument either now... So many people here have reported changes whether good or bad when their diet has changed to more fat, or even more saturate etc.
Before My hubby and iHs and another posting yesterday added in more dairy products we did not have marked increases in levels....something from my channging our foods has definitely affected our levels.
So many people say a marked improvement.

To be honest at this moment intime I believe nobody or nothing...something else will come along.

What I would actually hipe for the human race is that scientists could legally take all over our bodies when dead as a standard. That they could analyse something from every single dead body to gather real data of some description. And then just burn the bodies.... That way we would all know for sure that we are all just guinea pigs.....

Honest. I give up at the moment.
 
Mike D said:
Don't hold your breath :) Will not ever happen.
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It would save ground space if they did... We could all just be burnt, (whats left after dissection) and I'm sure the industry would find a use for the ashes... Would have to re employ funeral persons just as transporters to the labs..
 
donnellysdogs said:
Sorry, I just do notunderstand all this "diet does not affect cholesterol" as an argument either now... .
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Of course diet affects blood cholesterol, but cholesterol in your food does not significantly.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
According to my surgery, the fasting requirement has gone altogether. My last 2 tests were non-fasting, although I did fast for my own peace of mind. I queried it and was told it was the new guidelines. That's when I looked at the NICE pathways. It is mentioned elsewhere in the pathways, too. It changed in July 2014.
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Mine will usually be fasting anyway because I always have my blood tests first thing in the morning and then have breakfast.
 
donnellysdogs said:
It would save ground space if they did... We could all just be burnt, (whats left after dissection) and I'm sure the industry would find a use for the ashes... Would have to re employ funeral persons just as transporters to the labs..
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Don't think we're ready for that just yet .... but that's another argument :)
 
donnellysdogs said:
Sorry, I just do notunderstand all this "diet does not affect cholesterol" as an argument either now... So many people here have reported changes whether good or bad when their diet has changed to more fat, or even more saturate etc.
Before My hubby and iHs and another posting yesterday added in more dairy products we did not have marked increases in levels....something from my channging our foods has definitely affected our levels.
So many people say a marked improvement.

To be honest at this moment intime I believe nobody or nothing...something else will come along.

What I would actually hipe for the human race is that scientists could legally take all over our bodies when dead as a standard. That they could analyse something from every single dead body to gather real data of some description. And then just burn the bodies.... That way we would all know for sure that we are all just guinea pigs.....

Honest. I give up at the moment.
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cholesterol is what HDL and LDL carry around, HDL/LDL are lipoproteins..spend a few hours with the videos that have been posted on bloods and LCHF
 
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jack412 said:
cholesterol is what HDL and LDL carry around, HDL/LDL are lipoproteins..spend a few hours with the videos that have been posted on bloods and LCHF
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I understand all of what the breakdowns etc are said to do...but am fed up of all the differing advice that is now around in the medical and media.. Just to me currently I habe got to the point of saturation (ha, ha!) of there being too many differing opinions and research etc. as much as I see research etc coming in with say butter And statins etc... These studies are not representative of complete genetic factors that we all individually carry...so we are all guinea pigs with our own health.

The majority of the research is not really getting DNA samples and analysing them for certain markers that could lead to people getting cholesterol.. It doesn't follow a baby from birth to death so nobody can really 100% identify what is going to be good for their individual genetic make up.

Thats why I am just fed up of reading that fat hinders/fat helps:low fat/high fat etc.

I understand the breakdowns but who really how many people have been studied for 50 years on a low fat or on a high fat, low carb or high carb research document to find out on a long term basis of how our bodies are coping?
 
I'm at the stage now where I don't believe any dietary study that isn't a metabolic ward study of humans. Epidemiological studies have a lot to answer for, especially the ones where they rely on people's memories of what they ate - yeah, like that was ever going to work!

Seems like all nutrition "science" has managed to do is confuse people and complicate what should be uncomplicated - eat real food that your ancestors would recognise as food. If it comes in a packet and has more than a few ingredients, you probably shouldn't eat it. The more processed a packaged food is (margarine being a case in point), the less likely it is to be healthy for you.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
According to my surgery, the fasting requirement has gone altogether. My last 2 tests were non-fasting, although I did fast for my own peace of mind. I queried it and was told it was the new guidelines. That's when I looked at the NICE pathways. It is mentioned elsewhere in the pathways, too. It changed in July 2014.
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Thanks again for the reply :)

Interesting as 2 years ago a nurse at my gp surgery said they didn't do fasting cholesterol checks any-more and we exchanged a few opinions on the matter, I said I'd check with my Endocrinologist as I was always told I needed to fast for a full lipid breakdown, on checking with my Endo they said it had to be a fasting and that the nurse was wrong, so must check again at my next diabetes review.
 
noblehead said:
Thanks again for the reply :)

Interesting as 2 years ago a nurse at my gp surgery said they didn't do fasting cholesterol checks any-more and we exchanged a few opinions on the matter, I said I'd check with my Endocrinologist as I was always told I needed to fast for a full lipid breakdown, on checking with my Endo they said it had to be a fasting and that the nurse was wrong, so must check again at my next diabetes review.
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Whenever I have been given a bloodtest form.....the words Fasting/ has usually been printed in bold at the top of the form. If there is no request to fast, then it doesnt need to be done
 
iHs said:
Whenever I have been given a bloodtest form.....the words Fasting/ has usually been printed in bold at the top of the form. If there is no request to fast, then it doesnt need to be done
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Thanks iHs, I get my bloods taken at my gp surgery and the review at the hospital clinic, I don't get to see the form so no idea what it says at the top, but the clinic always insist on a fasting check so need to double check in light of what Bluetit has posted.
 
Had a good chat with the doctor today and we are both in agreement that I've probably been having too much saturated fat. She offered me Statins but has agreed to let me try to reduce it by tweaking my diet (less sat fat, more oily fish, etc) and I'm having another test in 6 months. If it doesn't come down then, I'll take the statins :)
 
noblehead said:
Thanks again for the reply :)

Interesting as 2 years ago a nurse at my gp surgery said they didn't do fasting cholesterol checks any-more and we exchanged a few opinions on the matter, I said I'd check with my Endocrinologist as I was always told I needed to fast for a full lipid breakdown, on checking with my Endo they said it had to be a fasting and that the nurse was wrong, so must check again at my next diabetes review.
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I always fast for the once a year full set of cholestrol tests ...
nice are guidelines and some surgeries may differ ....
 
phil1966 said:
Had a good chat with the doctor today and we are both in agreement that I've probably been having too much saturated fat. She offered me Statins but has agreed to let me try to reduce it by tweaking my diet (less sat fat, more oily fish, etc) and I'm having another test in 6 months. If it doesn't come down then, I'll take the statins :)
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I would review your position on that in six months when you have your next results ;). Total cholesterol and LDL-C are pretty hopeless indicators on their own (see Jimmy Moore 'Cholesterol Clarity', Malcolm Kendrick etc) and focus on the HDL and the ratios. Great news on your HbA1c though :)
 
phil1966, I accidentally stumbled upon an explanation for your increased cholesterol while searching for information on sodium requirements on the LCHF diet.

From Volek's and Phinney's book, The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living: An expert guide to making the life-saving benefits of carbohydrate restriction sustainable and enjoyable (2011), page 167...

There is one anomaly in clinical testing that physicians and patients should be aware of: a transient rise in serum total and LDL cholesterol that can occur with major weight loss. We reported this in 1991 [101], and our research revealed the cause. It turns out that along with the triglyceride stored in adipose tissue, our fat cells also contains a small amount of dissolved cholesterol. After about 30 pounds [13.6 kilograms] of weight loss, the shrinkage of these cellular fat droplets proceeds to the point that some of this cholesterol has to be released into the serum. The amount of cholesterol involved is 100-200 mg per day in someone losing 2 pounds [0.9 kilograms] of adipose tissue per week. Interestingly, although this represents 'reverse transport' back to the liver, this cholesterol rise appears in the LDL fraction. But once a person's weight loss ceases, this expulsion of cholesterol stored in adipose tissue stops and serum LDL cholesterol returns to its new post-weight-loss baseline.

Your doctor and nutritionist can look up this study and read it for themselves...

101. Phinney, S.D., et al, The transient hypercholesterolemia of major weight loss. Am J Clin Nutr, 1991 53(6): p. 1404-10

Jeff Volek has a Ph.D. in Exercise Physiology from Penn State University. Stephen Phinney has an M.D. from Stanford University, a Ph.D. in Nutritional Biochemistry from MIT, and post doctoral training at University of Vermont and Harvard.

I'd write more but I have to go to work now. What's so unfortunate about what's happened is that you feel you've failed, when it appears you are succeeding.
 
Thanks for that, @Winnie53 - it certainly does look like what could have happened to me. I guess I'll find out in 6 months :)
 
Kat100 said:
I always fast for the once a year full set of cholestrol tests ...
nice are guidelines and some surgeries may differ ....
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Yes they may Kat, probably best to check with your own surgery before the bloods are taken.
 
phil1966 said:
Just had a call from the Doctors receptionist saying she wants to speak to me about my cholesterol levels (this is my 3 month test since diagnosis). She didn't have my HbA1c results yet but did have my total cholesterol which has gone up from 5.1 to 6.4.
She didn't have the breakdown between HDL and LDL (hopefully the Dr will have that), but the overall increase is a bit worrying (unless I'm over-reacting!). My blood sugar figures are brilliant under LCHF so I really wouldn't consider stopping it but I just know I'm going to get a load of earache from the doc on Friday about my cholesterol so was hoping for some advice / ammo so I don't talk to her unprepared :)
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Probably someone has said this - I haven't read everything - but Ill say it again anyway.

Not to worry unduly, this is apparently the pattern with LCHF eating. Total and LDL cholesterol both tend to increase. Will return to that. OTOH unmitigatedly good, HDL goes up and triglyceride falls.

Of those, the most important acc current thinking is the last, trigs dropping. This is super good. Also, a low trigs figure predicts that most of the (now higher) LDL will be the larger sized LDL particles, which are currently generally considered harmless, and a low ratio of the stinkeroos, the Small Dense LDL particles.

Those last, acc to the latest, are them to avoid.

All the same, it's not nice to see those high numbers. The current experts are honest about this. See YouTubes by Kenneth Sikaris (getting link now, no can't, 3G not behaving). Google Kenneth Sikaris, cholesterol. He is excellent and one of world leaders.

PS This happened to me. My total and LDL have gone up. But the ratios are good, and consultant said Okay, the rest looks good so as no heart disease in your family, probably okay.
 
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