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Reactive Hypoglycaemia

Thanks Brunneria and Nosher8355. One of the things that I like about Dr. Rosedale is that he treats patients with diabetes and heart disease which is important to me.

Reading his work led me to reading Lustig's work. Both add a lot to the conversation about type 2 diabetes and obesity. Dr. Mercola says he has 13 hours of interviews with Dr. Rosedale. I haven't seen any yet. Perhaps it's on the member area of the website? After I get through a few more books, I plan to go looking for them.

Nosher8355, eating a baked potato is a healthier choice than eating French fries. :)

Within 6 months of working at a popular restaurant that served burgers and fish and chips, I experienced my second flare of Inflammatory Bowel Disease. This was 15 years ago. Not sure if it was due to the IBS flare or the weight gain, but I stopped eating French fries and began eating a baked potato with real butter around that time - (I also began eating more hamburgers than fried fish). Thank goodness I did. I worked at that restaurant for three years. I shutter to think how much damage I would have done had I continued to eat foods fried in polyunsaturated oils 5 days a week.

I no longer eat potatoes, sweet potatoes, or yams. If I didn't like meat, poultry, fish and fat so much, I'd consider switching to a diet that allows potatoes, but I don't see that happening so long as my health continues to improve on LCHF. :)
 
Winnie53 said:
Thanks Brunneria and Nosher8355. One of the things that I like about Dr. Rosedale is that he treats patients with diabetes and heart disease which is important to me.

Reading his work led me to reading Lustig's work. Both add a lot to the conversation about type 2 diabetes and obesity. Dr. Mercola says he has 13 hours of interviews with Dr. Rosedale. I haven't seen any yet. Perhaps it's on the member area of the website? After I get through a few more books, I plan to go looking for them.

Nosher8355, eating a baked potato is a healthier choice than eating French fries. :)

Within 6 months of working at a popular restaurant that served burgers and fish and chips, I experienced my second flare of Inflammatory Bowel Disease. This was 15 years ago. Not sure if it was due to the IBS flare or the weight gain, but I stopped eating French fries and began eating a baked potato with real butter around that time - (I also began eating more hamburgers than fried fish). Thank goodness I did. I worked at that restaurant for three years. I shutter to think how much damage I would have done had I continued to eat foods fried in polyunsaturated oils 5 days a week.

I no longer eat potatoes, sweet potatoes, or yams. If I didn't like meat, poultry, fish and fat so much, I'd consider switching to a diet that allows potatoes, but I don't see that happening so long as my health continues to improve on LCHF. :)
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I no longer eat anything like that, but for me they are just as bad as one another. I agree that I would struggle without the extra fat and protein. I also agree that very low carbing is now my lifestyle and it is not a diet, as that infers that it is short lived just to lose a few kilos. Rather than what I have to do to be fit and well.
Keep em coming @Winnie53. I like the reports as long as they don't go to sciency and use too many big words:rolleyes:
 
MrBigglesworth said:
Thanks for helping guys! A few things...
Why is RH so rare specifically in men?
Are sugar free products ok i.e. coke, gum?
I have never been able to put weight on and I heat and drink alot! My weight is constant. Do you find this odd? It shounds like I should have put weight on with this condition and my current dietary habbits! :/
Cutting out beer is going to be really tough!
Thanks! :)
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Maybe I'm really odd then because I've lost LOADS of weight with RH. It was that factor that got me loads of tests and appointments.
 
You're not odd!

You're special! (I hate that!)

I'm weird!
Since finding out that carbs and sugars are the cause of my condition, I've lost quite a bit of weight and my consultant wants me down to my optimum weight of around 10 stone. (He can wish!) I was approaching 17 stone a few years back.
You may wish to read the low carb forum for ideas on how to stabilise your weight, I would say, increase your protein and full fat a bit more, but you may get better ideas around the forum.
 
I'm happier with weird than special! Luckily my dr gets me and says I'm odd too.
Good luck with getting your weight nearer to your dr's optimum (however crazy it seems to you). I've been having a look on the low carb forum as I've already knocked up proteins and foods high in fat.
 
I prefer weird!

But I do like exclusive!

Keep us informed how you get on.
If you want any questions answered. Just ask!
 
Exclusive is good too! I'll be busy testing with various tweaks to my diet (using ideas from here) over the next few weeks as I really do need to get more energy. Will try and remember to let you know how I get on.

Any further ideas to help with both increasing energy and gaining weight would be gratefully accepted...
 
crazycatlady42 said:
Exclusive is good too! I'll be busy testing with various tweaks to my diet (using ideas from here) over the next few weeks as I really do need to get more energy. Will try and remember to let you know how I get on.

Any further ideas to help with both increasing energy and gaining weight would be gratefully accepted...
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Nothing than I have already said, but I've tagged @Brunneria to see if she can help.
Or maybe @Robinredbreast.
Keep posting!
 
Hi @crazycatlady42 and welcome to the club. :)

Regarding putting on weight:

Bernstein (a type 1 diabetic doctor who runs a clinic and writes books to treat type 1 and 2 patients how to rigorously control their blood glucose to normal levels, thus preventing or reversing diabetic complications) says that when you eat low carb and want to increase weight, you basically have two choices. the first is to increase your carbs, which will muck up everything you have achieved. the second is to increase protein.
He put a few people on high fat diets (low carb, high fat) and found that they still didn't gain weight. Protein is a much better solution.

A few people on the forum have used this idea by adding nuts to their diet - which are a slow release combo of carbs, fat and protein. It won't suit everyone, but generously adding nut butters, nuts and snacks, and nut bars to the diet is going to increase weight significantly, and well, they are very more-ish, aren't they? But presumably, there are other foods that would do it. Or even combinations of foods that combine fat and protein with enough carbs to gain weight, but not enough to set off RH. Cheese on crackers (carefully watching carb content of course). Pate on toast. See where I am going?

My experience is that I need to keep my protein below a certain level, or my weight loss halts, but my fat intake makes no difference at all, provided I stay very low carb.

Really, it is a question of fine tuning everything to suit your body.
 
Brunneria said:
Hi @crazycatlady42 and welcome to the club. :)

Regarding putting on weight:

Bernstein (a type 1 diabetic doctor who runs a clinic and writes books to treat type 1 and 2 patients how to rigorously control their blood glucose to normal levels, thus preventing or reversing diabetic complications) says that when you eat low carb and want to increase weight, you basically have two choices. the first is to increase your carbs, which will muck up everything you have achieved. the second is to increase protein.
He put a few people on high fat diets (low carb, high fat) and found that they still didn't gain weight. Protein is a much better solution.

A few people on the forum have used this idea by adding nuts to their diet - which are a slow release combo of carbs, fat and protein. It won't suit everyone, but generously adding nut butters, nuts and snacks, and nut bars to the diet is going to increase weight significantly, and well, they are very more-ish, aren't they? But presumably, there are other foods that would do it. Or even combinations of foods that combine fat and protein with enough carbs to gain weight, but not enough to set off RH. Cheese on crackers (carefully watching carb content of course). Pate on toast. See where I am going?

My experience is that I need to keep my protein below a certain level, or my weight loss halts, but my fat intake makes no difference at all, provided I stay very low carb.

Really, it is a question of fine tuning everything to suit your body.
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Thanks! More food for thought (no pun intended).
 
nosher8355 said:
Nothing than I have already said, but I've tagged @Brunneria to see if she can help.
Or maybe @Robinredbreast.
Keep posting!
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Brunneria said:
Hi @crazycatlady42 and welcome to the club. :)

Regarding putting on weight:

Bernstein (a type 1 diabetic doctor who runs a clinic and writes books to treat type 1 and 2 patients how to rigorously control their blood glucose to normal levels, thus preventing or reversing diabetic complications) says that when you eat low carb and want to increase weight, you basically have two choices. the first is to increase your carbs, which will muck up everything you have achieved. the second is to increase protein.
He put a few people on high fat diets (low carb, high fat) and found that they still didn't gain weight. Protein is a much better solution.

A few people on the forum have used this idea by adding nuts to their diet - which are a slow release combo of carbs, fat and protein. It won't suit everyone, but generously adding nut butters, nuts and snacks, and nut bars to the diet is going to increase weight significantly, and well, they are very more-ish, aren't they? But presumably, there are other foods that would do it. Or even combinations of foods that combine fat and protein with enough carbs to gain weight, but not enough to set off RH. Cheese on crackers (carefully watching carb content of course). Pate on toast. See where I am going?

My experience is that I need to keep my protein below a certain level, or my weight loss halts, but my fat intake makes no difference at all, provided I stay very low carb.

Really, it is a question of fine tuning everything to suit your body.
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Hi there, it's fairly late, but I do my best to reply to your questions, because it seems that I can see some light at the end of the tunnel:-)
So the crumpets episode went like this:
-FBG 5.5
-1 hour after breakfast 8.7
-2 hours after breakfast 4.2
-3 hours after breakfast 4.7
As for symptoms, I had most of those you describe for RH, and it was horrible. But actually I felt like that for quite a few years, way before being diagnosed with T2 this March. I actually hated eating especially carbs of cereal origins, sweet fruit etc. even though I had to, as I had no idea of neither RH or diabetes.
The odd thing is that most of my post prandial readings are always lower than the pre, even without any carbs. For example tonight I had 5.5 before supper, 5.3 after 2 hours, and 5.5 now, after 4 hours.
I have my next appointment and full bloods early August, until then, my LC shall be No Carbs, as this seems to be the only remedy against those horrible headaches and anxiety, anger swings and all the rest of hell.
Any thoughts would be greatly valued.
All the best to you;-)
 
MosheBenYehuda said:
Hi there, it's fairly late, but I do my best to reply to your questions, because it seems that I can see some light at the end of the tunnel:)
So the crumpets episode went like this:
-FBG 5.5
-1 hour after breakfast 8.7
-2 hours after breakfast 4.2
-3 hours after breakfast 4.7
As for symptoms, I had most of those you describe for RH, and it was horrible. But actually I felt like that for quite a few years, way before being diagnosed with T2 this March. I actually hated eating especially carbs of cereal origins, sweet fruit etc. even though I had to, as I had no idea of neither RH or diabetes.
The odd thing is that most of my post prandial readings are always lower than the pre, even without any carbs. For example tonight I had 5.5 before supper, 5.3 after 2 hours, and 5.5 now, after 4 hours.
I have my next appointment and full bloods early August, until then, my LC shall be No Carbs, as this seems to be the only remedy against those horrible headaches and anxiety, anger swings and all the rest of hell.
Any thoughts would be greatly valued.
All the best to you;-)
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As you have recognised the symptoms and you intend to follow the recommendations, that have helped us to live a better life then you know now that carbs and sugars are the enemy, eat little and often, eat more full fat, throw away anything that is low fat, use natural fats, cook with natural fats, do a little more exercise and get your blood glucose levels in control. Then you will settle down. There you will find, more energy and hopefully all the bad symptoms will disappear.
I don't go above 6mmols and therefore if I don't, create the extra insulin, then I don't hypo!
Best wishes to you!
If you're not sure about anything, ask away, one of us will be around.
I'm now going to work, but I will get back this evening.
 
nosher8355 said:
As you have recognised the symptoms and you intend to follow the recommendations, that have helped us to live a better life then you know now that carbs and sugars are the enemy, eat little and often, eat more full fat, throw away anything that is low fat, use natural fats, cook with natural fats, do a little more exercise and get your blood glucose levels in control. Then you will settle down. There you will find, more energy and hopefully all the bad symptoms will disappear.
I don't go above 6mmols and therefore if I don't, create the extra insulin, then I don't hypo!
Best wishes to you!
If you're not sure about anything, ask away, one of us will be around.
I'm now going to work, but I will get back this evening.
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Thank you from the heart, and have a good day!
I have some days off, so I can look after things.
Yes, 6 is an excellent threshold for me as well, so I'll stick to it.
Don't worry, I'll keep asking and learning;-)
 
MosheBenYehuda said:
Thank you from the heart, and have a good day!
I have some days off, so I can look after things.
Yes, 6 is an excellent threshold for me as well, so I'll stick to it.
Don't worry, I'll keep asking and learning;-)
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It seems to be a constant learning process, especially with this hot weather, but the good ideas on here are brilliant and will hopefully help.
 
crazycatlady42 said:
It seems to be a constant learning process, especially with this hot weather, but the good ideas on here are brilliant and will hopefully help.
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You should never stop learning or sharing your knowledge to those who need it!
After looking at some recent web pages, my mind was changed about certain aspects of sports training and also certain new technology's that have helped my job. Always have an open mind and listen to what peoples views are.
You're never to old to learn! (I think!)
 
MosheBenYehuda said:
Thank you from the heart, and have a good day!
I have some days off, so I can look after things.
Yes, 6 is an excellent threshold for me as well, so I'll stick to it.
Don't worry, I'll keep asking and learning;-)
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I read your post that you had a fasting level of 5.8 this morning, which is in the normal range!
Have you had normal fasting levels for a while since diagnosis. I am too lazy to go through pages and pages of that thread.
 
My range is 5-7 mmol/l

My body goes into wobble-mode and has a liver dump if I drop below 5. Above 7 does not necessarily result in a hypo, provided I have eaten protein or fat in the food that sent me above 7.

However, I can guarantee a hypo in these circumstances:
Low fat, low protein, high carb, causing blood glucose to rise above 7 quickly. The quick release of the carbs (even wholemeal) will result in a sharp drop at anywhere from 2-4 hrs (when my excessive and delayed 2nd insulin response kicks in). Physical exertion makes things MUCH worse.

The answer for me is kind of a no-brainer.
Good food 2 or 3 times a day, standard protein, very low carb, plenty of fat. All snacks low carb. No exercise more than 4 hrs after food, or I need to snack beforehand. Exercise while blood glucose is under 6 is very silly.
 
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nosher8355 said:
I read your post that you had a fasting level of 5.8 this morning, which is in the normal range!
Have you had normal fasting levels for a while since diagnosis. I am too lazy to go through pages and pages of that thread.
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Yep, I started logging my readings since 1st June with FBG 7.2 (after nearly 3 months on Metformin, but careless eating...).
From there I worked my levels down to lowest 5.4 on 27th June, which after the experimental stunts with takeaway and the crumpets, rose to 5.8 this morning:-/
 
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