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Frustrated already

Carlo7

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Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
Been diabetic for a few weeks now. Type 2 not particularly bad on the readings I was told

Im tired of reading conflicting advice

Read no bread but then read wholemeal is okay
No potatoes or pasta but then read jacket potatoes are fine and get wholegrain pasta.. which is right?? Please don't suggest sweet potato it was a struggle to eat

Also shredded wheat for breakfast meant to be good but really high in carbs

I thought Diet Coke was okay until I read it's bad for people with type 2

Thanks in advance
 
Hi and welcome .
Unfortunately every one is different. All carbs are bad some more so than others I have WHOLEGRAIN bread as the sugars are released slower so you get no sudden spike. Cut down on the portion size untill you find out what is happening to your bloods same goes for pasta rice and spuds , if you can self monitor all the better . I have porridge for breakfast but nothing wrong with bacon and eggs keep away from fat free or things labeled as light as they tend to replace fat with sugars and diabetic brands tend to be a waste of money .
Please keep asking questions and we will try to help , you will soon pick it up and remember you are not alone
Keep well stay safe JJ
PS I will tag @daisy1 who will give you some good info for new members to the forum
 
How do I self monitor? My Dr said can't do it as blood sugar goes up down all day long so would be useless and just get tested every 6 months
 
Your doctor is wrong. You can self monitor and it is very helpful in managing T2 diabetes. You can buy a meter and test strips - others will have a link to the cheapest ones in the UK for you. Daisy's info will cover this.

I don't think there's anything in diet coke that is bad for people. There's no nutritional value in it but I have it as an occasional treat. It's 100 times better than regular coke with 10 teaspoons of sugar per can.
 
Your doctor is wrong. You can self monitor and it is very helpful in managing T2 diabetes. You can buy a meter and test strips - others will have a link to the cheapest ones in the UK for you. Daisy's info will cover this.

I don't think there's anything in diet coke that is bad for people. There's no nutritional value in it but I have it as an occasional treat. It's 100 times better than regular coke with 10 teaspoons of sugar per can.
Thanks
 
You need to test ... and the wildly conflicting comments about diet cola suggest precautions are observed. They (in my opinion) are NOT good
 
Hi @Carlo7 , many of us use the SD Codefree (Amazon etc) to test because the strips are cheapest. You can learn so much about the impacts of food on your BG by testing at the beginning of a meal and at 2 hours after starting.
 
Hi Carlo,
Welcome. Diabetics get a whole mass of conflicting advice.
As a T2, your liver and muscles are not responding well to insulin, consequently you cannot metabolise carbohydrates well.
Some offcial advice is to ignore this, cut the fat (fatty liver is a cause of T2) reduce the carbs a bit and hope for the best. Some of us find this a bit inexplicable - why eat stuff we can no longer metabolise?
In addition there is research suggesting that a low carbohydrate diet has bigger effects than low fat.
Many people find the idea of low carbs unthinkable -their diet has been so carb based for so long they cannot imagine changing it.
The NHS has a policy of not prescribing meters and testing sticks to T2 diabetics. This is a money saving measure and has nothing to do with the well being of the patient. Some GPs seem to skirt round this and pretend that sticking needles in hurts or that blood sugars vary during the day (that's why you may need to test several times a day).
Baked potatoes are peceived as healthy but have a high glycaemic indix (GI) - they break down fast to glucose, which we can't metabolise. Whole grain carbs are broken down more slowly, so small helpings are usually OK. You need to test and find what works for you. Some type 2 diabetics are more fragile than others.
 
Hi Carlo

I understand your frustration! I was diagnosed two weeks ago and have found it difficult to get my head round it all. This is the place to be :). I have found everyone to be very helpful and patient and things are slowly getting better and I am relaxing more. You do need to be testing your levels, I have found this to be one of the most helpful things in starting to understand what affects me and what I need to do about it. It also gives me more of a feeling of being in control :)

Keep asking questions, it makes it better

Deb
 
Thanks
Does it make any difference the fact I'm just in the threshold that classified me as diabetic. ? Need to lose weight and I should be ok
It's just no bread pasta or potatoes leaves meals not only unappealing but hard work
 
Hello Carlo7, here's a link to the home health site that sells the SD Codefree meter, many of us use this meter because the strips are relatively inexpensive compared to other makes of meter. I've also included some discount codes for the strips.
http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/blood_glucose_monitor_testing.htm
5 packs. 264086
10 packs 975833
 
I've just been diagnosed Type 2 as well.

I'm very confused as to what I can eat. I've read that carbs are bad but wholegrain bread is ok? Also nuts are good but aren't they high calorie? Isn't cream full of fat? I'm thinking of following the Paleo Diet as this seems to be the closest to a low-carb eating plan. I've ordered a monitor from amazon as I'm panicking as to what I can eat at the moment. Some people seem to be more relaxed about diet so am I over-reacting?
 
so am I over-reacting?

Yes you are a bit @Jaz1006 .... but forgiven as we've ALL gone thru that ... not just a few, but ALL.

It is full cream. Bread is no .... but try it and test.

Nuts are fine (not salted and no peanuts) ...

Early days for you so keep asking questions and search the forum. You will be fine. You've found the best site available and a LOT of experienced people.

Mike :)
 
I've just been diagnosed Type 2 as well.

I'm very confused as to what I can eat. I've read that carbs are bad but wholegrain bread is ok? Also nuts are good but aren't they high calorie? Isn't cream full of fat? I'm thinking of following the Paleo Diet as this seems to be the closest to a low-carb eating plan. I've ordered a monitor from amazon as I'm panicking as to what I can eat at the moment. Some people seem to be more relaxed about diet so am I over-reacting?

I am confused, too, you are not alone. As I understand, say, if you eat a lot of white bread to start with a change to wholemeal bread is beneficial. If you plan to eat a low-carb diet, you need to go further and limit bread altogether.

I am kind of relaxed some of the time, but at other times overreacting, or just realising that another food includes more carbs than I thought. I am quite interested in Paleo and some recipes are very suitable. I now know that gluten is not a problem for me, so I do not eat to fully exclude grains. Instead, I limit fruit, starchy vegs, etc. Now, being a few weeks into this diabetes thing, I watch my carbs and try to eat moderate to generous amounts of fats and proteins. Carbs are difficult enough for me to figure out at the moment :bookworm:
 
so am I over-reacting?

Yes you are a bit @Jaz1006 .... but forgiven as we've ALL gone thru that ... not just a few, but ALL.

It is full cream. Bread is no .... but try it and test.

Nuts are fine (not salted and no peanuts) ...

Early days for you so keep asking questions and search the forum. You will be fine. You've found the best site available and a LOT of experienced people.

Mike :)
Mike, I'm really confused about salted peanuts. Some say they are fine, others not. Suppose it is just down to testing and, so far, Ithey don't affect me at all. I know they are high in calories, but that is not an issue for me.
 
Carlo, you are only just in the threshold of diabetes that is good.
To find out what you can eat you need to test before then 1, then 2 hours after your first mouthful.
Permanent damage can occur when your blood sugar goes over 7.8mm so some aim never to go over that.
I find carbs send my blood glucose too high, only testing will tell you what your body can tolerate.
Losing weight normally helps your blood glucose control.
I have found 6 years down the line, I can tolerate carbs more. Also although I had a normal bmi to begin with, a lower bmi of 19 has meant I can tolerate more carbs.
At the beginning I was super strict with my blood glucose to enable my pancreas to recover if at all possible.
 
Hi @Lynn1

I always take the hard line first .... and then try out and see what they do. I'm OK with cashews (unsalted) but peanuts (at least for me) are not great.

You've summed it up perfectly. Careful steps at the outset. Late here but hope your knee is all good ?

Mike :)
 
Been diabetic for a few weeks now. Type 2 not particularly bad on the readings I was told

Im tired of reading conflicting advice

Read no bread but then read wholemeal is okay
No potatoes or pasta but then read jacket potatoes are fine and get wholegrain pasta.. which is right?? Please don't suggest sweet potato it was a struggle to eat

Also shredded wheat for breakfast meant to be good but really high in carbs

I thought Diet Coke was okay until I read it's bad for people with type 2

Thanks in advance

Hi Carlo7 , there will always be conflicting advice and I'm not surprised you're tired of it, it IS confusing :eek:

We're all individuals and what may affect one person, may not affect another, but basically most of us find 'plain' carbs [rice, pasta, bread, potatoes] just as bad for us as the sweet stuff. Bbbbut its all individual, so that's why a meter has been suggested by posters in here, so you can work out for yourself which foods you can tolerate and which ones are a No-no for you.

Good luck, you'll get there :)
 
@Carlo7

Hi Carlo and welcome to the forum :)

There is a lot of conflicting information on diabetes as the same things do not suit everyone and you have to find the best thing for yourself. In other words by testing which foods have what effect on your levels. Lots of good information above for you to try. Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helps. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to give you an answer.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
@Carlo7 3 Months ago I was in your shoes and equally confused until I found this forum. Your gp/diabetic team may well tell you to eat wholegrain breads and pasta, along with fruits and cereals but experience will probably tell you that they will spike your BG. Testing is by far the best way to find out what you can or cannot eat. We are all different and have different tolerances. It is hard to take foods out that you have eaten your whole life but you adapt very quickly once you accept that things have to change. Take it one step at a time and don't panic or worry too much. Start reading food labels and you will quickly get an idea of how much carbohydrate is added to our food and remember that pretty much everything you eat is converted to glucose at some point wether it's carbohydrate or protein. This is why testing is so important to find out how your body reacts. There are some delicious recipes in the Low Carb food section and the LCHF (low carb high fat)way of eating works for many too. Take a look at the What Have You Eaten Today thread.....it gives many examples of peoples menus and the lovely food they eat. If you miss bread Lidl do a high protein low carb roll that doesn't have much effect on bg and is very tasty and filling so you can have cheese on toast or a sandwich again :)Don't be afraid to ask questions....always someone here to help :)
 
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