Carbs & saturated fat

luzanmurphy_

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Hi guys,
I'm all new to this diabetes stuff. I'm battling to find a low carb & low sugar cereal. Every morning I have All Bran or Wheetabix & it pushes my BG from 17 to 20. Also if our quota is 5g of sugar per 100ml, can someone please tell me how many grams of carbs & saturated fats per 100ml are we allowed? I'm so hungry & I'm so tired of protein. Pls help!!
Thanks x
 

britishpub

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Please read the welcome email from @daisy1

It will explain about Diet, and the role of Carbohydrate.
 

dragonfly63

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There is a lovely selection of recipes on this site that gives some great ideas for breakfasts (as well as other meals). I have downloaded it onto my I-pad but they are accessible from this site.
 
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Hiitsme

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Hi guys,
I'm all new to this diabetes stuff. I'm battling to find a low carb & low sugar cereal. Every morning I have All Bran or Wheetabix & it pushes my BG from 17 to 20. Also if our quota is 5g of sugar per 100ml, can someone please tell me how many grams of carbs & saturated fats per 100ml are we allowed? I'm so hungry & I'm so tired of protein. Pls help!!
Thanks x

I couldn't find any breakfast cereal that I could manage so mostly have scrambled eggs and mushrooms for breakfast. I use my meter to see what works for me rather than grams per 100ml so can't advise there. Some people can manage porridge but others can't so you need to find what works for you.
 

Oldvatr

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I couldn't find any breakfast cereal that I could manage so mostly have scrambled eggs and mushrooms for breakfast. I use my meter to see what works for me rather than grams per 100ml so can't advise there. Some people can manage porridge but others can't so you need to find what works for you.
I sometimes get away with a sachet of microwaved porridge without the big spike. Since normal milk contains lactose which is a carb, try making the porridge with water, then add some full fat cream to it when serving. Beware of adding fruit to it, especially any tropical fruit such as mango or banana. Some fresh or frozen berries are considered ok for low carbers.

I am personally not following a very low carb diet, so I interpret LC as Lower Carb, Thus i normally allow myself 2 toast slices with say soft cheese or scrambled egg on top to break my fast. I have found either Lidl protein Roll or Aldi Seeded batch loaf to be gentle on my bgl and my tummy. if I do not have a carby breakfast, then I tend to get a liver dump midday. I also need to take my morning meds with food

You would need to eat to meter if you try either.
 
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Totto

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Hi guys,
I'm all new to this diabetes stuff. I'm battling to find a low carb & low sugar cereal. Every morning I have All Bran or Wheetabix & it pushes my BG from 17 to 20. Also if our quota is 5g of sugar per 100ml, can someone please tell me how many grams of carbs & saturated fats per 100ml are we allowed? I'm so hungry & I'm so tired of protein. Pls help!!
Thanks x
Look at carb content. Sadly there is no low carb breakfast cereal. I scramble eggs in butter for a filling breakfast. I think fats are good, like butter, olive oil, lard, coconut oil etc. Fills you up nicely while having no effect on BG.
 
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daisy1

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@luzanmurphy_

Hello and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful in deciding on your diet choices. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

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Yes, sadly there is no low carb cereal, and as Totto said above, if you are looking at the sugar content of foods you are misleading yourself. You need to look at the total carbohydrate content and keep that to 5g per 100g (more if you have a tiny portion) Sugar is just one carb. All carbs convert to glucose once inside the system.

Personally I can't tolerate any carbs in the mornings or my BS stay elevated until the afternoon. I just have a soft boiled egg and a mug of tea, or a coffee with double cream. Eggs cooked any which way are good, as is a fry up of eggs, bacon, mushrooms etc. (no bread)
 

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I had a lovely breakfast this morning ,bacon ,eggs mushrooms,fried in lard with a dollop of Hellman,s mayo
 
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amgrundy

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I had a poached egg with mushrooms and tomatoes fried in olive oil with 1 slice of Burgen Linseed Bread
 
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Daibell

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Hi. Yes, avoid cereal or just have a small portion with no added sugar. Eggs and bacon are great. You mention protein but be aware that fat is fine for us despite what we have been told over the years.
 
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DBora

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My sugars are quite high at the moment & this morning I had a breakfast of scrambled egg & a couple of Rye Ryvita, this didn't seem to affect my BG too much. I normally have a small bowl of branflakes (can't do low carb, am doing 'good carbs) & although as of yet, haven't recorded how it affects me as I am a newbie at this, I feel a lot better in myself after I have eaten these as I do need 'fuel' for the day, I then try to limit this to my only 'proper' carb of the day with my others consisting of beans & pulses etc.
I did read, not sure if I will be shot down, if you have something with more than 5g of fibre, you can subtract half of the fibre content from the carb count to get the carb content that you need to count. HTH x
 
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Oldvatr

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My sugars are quite high at the moment & this morning I had a breakfast of scrambled egg & a couple of Rye Ryvita, this didn't seem to affect my BG too much. I normally have a small bowl of branflakes (can't do low carb, am doing 'good carbs) & although as of yet, haven't recorded how it affects me as I am a newbie at this, I feel a lot better in myself after I have eaten these as I do need 'fuel' for the day, I then try to limit this to my only 'proper' carb of the day with my others consisting of beans & pulses etc.
I did read, not sure if I will be shot down, if you have something with more than 5g of fibre, you can subtract half of the fibre content from the carb count to get the carb content that you need to count. HTH x
I think this is an American thing and comes from the Atkins Diet. The USA labelling is different to UK so it does not work too well here Some T1D's report difficulty bolusing if they do the Net Carbs instead of Total carbs as usually advised here. See the Atkins site for details. The way to check is to eat to meter to see.
 
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Neohdiver

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I think this is an American thing and comes from the Atkins Diet. The USA labelling is different to UK so it does not work too well here Some T1D's report difficulty bolusing if they do the Net Carbs instead of Total carbs as usually advised here. See the Atkins site for details. The way to check is to eat to meter to see.
The labeling is definitely US - FDA, not Atkins. The advice to subtract half the fiber, not so much a US thing - as far as I know (that may be specific to Atkins). I subtract all fiber (because my meter is happy with net carbs - which I believe is equivalent to UK labeling).

But (generally) I concur with the advice above - ditch the breakfast cereal. I'm currently battling an itty bitty thyroid pill for control of my morning BG. Not interested in adding carbs to an already intransigent dawn phenomenon that lasts until mid-morning. I'm dreading my fasting BG test tomorrow - I know when I wake up it will be around 85, but when I walk into the doctor's office later (after a shower) it will almost certainly be in the prediabetes range - if not the diabetes range.
 
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There's no such thing as low-carb cereal, but as long as you're OK with fats (i.e low carb high fat diet) then a bowl of double cream with mixed nuts in it (perhaps avoiding cashews, which are higher carb than most) comes close for convenience.

Kate
 
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Kesun, post: 1081422, member: 39776"]There's no such thing as low-carb cereal, but as long as you're OK with fats (i.e low carb high fat diet) then a bowl of double cream with mixed nuts in it (perhaps avoiding cashews, which are higher carb than most) comes close for convenience.

Kate
Kate you're a genious! I love this idea. Crunchy like granola. I'm going to buy mixed nuts as currently only eating almonds. Noted about cashew nuts. ;)
 

Totto

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There's no such thing as low-carb cereal, but as long as you're OK with fats (i.e low carb high fat diet) then a bowl of double cream with mixed nuts in it (perhaps avoiding cashews, which are higher carb than most) comes close for convenience.

Kate
Are cashews really that high in carbs? I've been planning to do a bit of testing them but haven't had the time yet. I've seen a mention of them being rather high in resistant starch and that is always interesting.
 

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Hi guys,
I'm all new to this diabetes stuff. I'm battling to find a low carb & low sugar cereal. Every morning I have All Bran or Wheetabix & it pushes my BG from 17 to 20. Also if our quota is 5g of sugar per 100ml, can someone please tell me how many grams of carbs & saturated fats per 100ml are we allowed? I'm so hungry & I'm so tired of protein. Pls help!!
Thanks x

I used to eat soya flakes for breakfast on weekends with almond milk which was fairly low carb. Not sure where you'd get them in the UK though , might want to try a health food shop. I stopped them because they took a while to digest and I like to go running around ~1.5 hours after breakfast.
 
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