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Hi everyone,
as per my doctor i am prediabetic and rush me...
I am not very active since last year, my BMI is 27. Some stress in personal life too. My A1C at 6 so doctor said i am prediabetic and diet for the rest of my life because of pancreas... My FBG is 5.2 to 5.6.
So i started low carb diet and decided to do such experiment after 1 week on diet. The doctor is hard to give any additional tests in the next 6 months.

My experiment.
I was fasting for 9 hours.

Sweet chocolate cake 205gr. Big piece. Probably 100 carbs.
+
220ml regular coke, should be around 140 carbs together on empty stomac.
Low carbing since 1 week...
The results camelike this:

5.3 beginning
1h - 9.3 mmol (167)
1h 20 – 7.6 mmol
2h - 7 mmol 130
2h15 - 5.8 mmol
2h30 – 5.4 mmol

Morning after - 5.4mmol

Please help me to understand if i am prediabetic as doctor said as per spike 1.

Thank you.
 

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Welcome to the forum. @daisy1 will provide some info.

I don't know if you're prediabetic based on your experiment, but your HbA1c suggests that your blood glucose levels are higher than they should be. One problem with only looking at blood glucose levels is that you have no idea how much insulin your pancreas produces. Long before your blood glucose levels rise to prediabetic levels, you're producing a lot more insulin than is normal to achieve normal blood glucose levels. When your blood glucose has risen to prediabetic or diabetic levels, then that means your pancreas can't produce enough insulin to overcome your insulin resistance. So I'd say stick to the low carb diet.

It's great that you're testing. Here's a good web page that explains the best times to test to best effect:

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045524.php
 
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Thank you!
What is your opinion for the spike of 167 1 hour after chocolate cake and coke on empty stomac? Is this spike normal for not yet diagnosed. Seems it stabilized right after...
 

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Thank you!
What is your opinion for the spike of 167 1 hour after chocolate cake and coke on empty stomac? Is this spike normal for not yet diagnosed. Seems it stabilized right after...
It seems high to me. But if you've been on a low carb diet that might be expected.
 

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Thank you. I have been reading about that. Let s say my meal was 130 g of carbs and apart the fat in the cake i didnt have any fiber or protein to help. So 167 spike is big but... cake with coke... some sources state that we seen even 200 in non diabetic 1 hour spike...
 

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Yes, but I don't think it's a good idea to decide whether you're diabetic or prediabetic or "normal" based only on that one meal. Have a look at the second link I posted above and you can do some further self testing to satisfy yourself to a higher degree.
 

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Thanks again for yohr help. Yku are absolutely right. What i don t understand is when you eat cake which is carb plus fat so does that minimise the spike or just extend it. For example i eat white rice where no protein or fat so compared to the cake - cake is better which is insane!~~
 

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@Al1000

Hello Al and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope it will be useful to you. Ask questions when you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 245,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
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A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

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The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

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The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
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Thank you. I have been reading about that. Let s say my meal was 130 g of carbs and apart the fat in the cake i didn't have any fiber or protein to help. So 167 spike is big but... cake with coke... some sources state that we seen even 200 in non diabetic 1 hour spike...


if you are non diabetic your blood sugars will remain at under 7.8 ( 140) 99% of the time, and 6.7(120) 91% of the time.
 
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Thanks again for yohr help. Yku are absolutely right. What i don t understand is when you eat cake which is carb plus fat so does that minimise the spike or just extend it. For example i eat white rice where no protein or fat so compared to the cake - cake is better which is insane!~~

Yes, fat can reduce the spike and prolong the time it takes to go back to premeal levels.

One thing to consider is that there is much, much more to a healthy diet than your blood glucose response. Personally, I'd avoid both rice and chocolate cake. Neither are very nutritious.
 
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if you are non diabetic your blood sugars will remain at under 7.8 ( 140) 99% of the time, and 6.7(120) 91% of the time.
I understand that but such is for a normal diet. Since double chocolate cake plus coke on empty stomac makes 1 hour spike of around 170 and drop right after constantly this is exceprional circumstance because we don t eat 2 piece cake plus coke every meal.
 

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I understand that but such is for a normal diet. Since diuble chocolate cake plus coke on empty stomac makes 1 hour spike of around 170 and drop right after constantly this is exceprional circumstance because ae don t eat 2 piece cake plus coke every meal.

If you are worried about becoming diabetic, don't eat cake or coke at all. Then there will be no problem. :)
 
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It is not for the worry of course. It is for the science. We are evaluating particular response.
 

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It is not for the worry of course. It is for the science. We are evaluating particular response.
Im not too sure I see your point. If it spikes over 7.8 or 140 then its an unusual response for a non diabetic for any food. If it stays over 7.8 even more so. if it spikes up to 11 the drops back to under 6.7 quickly then its probably then you fit into a normal profile - but it doesn't answer the question why do it ?

for me personally food spikes me last after a fast than if I've already been eating, so i would say that the responses you got on an empty stomach are likely to be lower than if you did it on a full one.
 

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I understand that but such is for a normal diet. Since double chocolate cake plus coke on empty stomac makes 1 hour spike of around 170 and drop right after constantly this is exceprional circumstance because we don t eat 2 piece cake plus coke every meal.
That's good. Many people eat like that daily.
 

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Im not too sure I see your point. If it spikes over 7.8 or 140 then its an unusual response for a non diabetic for any food. If it stays over 7.8 even more so. if it spikes up to 11 the drops back to under 6.7 quickly then its probably then you fit into a normal profile - but it doesn't answer the question why do it ?

for me personally food spikes me last after a fast than if I've already been eating, so i would say that the responses you got on an empty stomach are likely to be lower than if you did it on a full one.
I want to point that numbers is just statistics but not for same food products. They just say nornal. But is 2 piece of chocolate cake and small coke normal. I don t think so.

Some resources also show 1 hour normal spike under 11.1 how would yku commemt this,?

Who could prove at what duration of the spike the dammage occures?

There is no such material so far that i have found and i am still searching by curiosity.

Thank you.

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I don't think that your results from the chocolate cake experiment show that you don't have any insulin resistance.

I recommend you follow the recommendations of this page ("Am I Diabetic? How to Test Your Blood Sugar To Find Out"):

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14046889.php
 

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Yes i know it but with all the respect this is very severe especially for 1 hour. Below 140, i don t think so. I have red various reports where many people are observed real data which readings are bigger and they were normal by the doctors.
Also my carb intake was 130g. I know that this is not pure glucose GI100 but 130g is a lot. And saying that 160 - 170 is not a normal spike after 130g... sorry but you understand my point.
 

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Yes i know it but with all the respect this is very severe especially for 1 hour. Below 140, i don t think so. I have red various reports where many people are observed real data which readings are bigger and they were normal by the doctors.
Also my carb intake was 130g. I know that this is not pure glucose GI100 but 130g is a lot. And saying that 160 - 170 is not a normal spike after 130g... sorry but you understand my point.

I don't think any of us understand your point, or what you are trying to discover.