Type 2 Help please with readings, newly diagnosed

Traceb

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Can anyone give me some help please? I was diagnosed with type 2 after readings were as high as 28.5 a few months ago and prescribed 1500mg of metformin a day. I have cut out carbs and sugar albeit have plenty of fruit but I cannot get my readings under 10, and am now prescribed 2000mg a day of metformin a day, should I be worried :(:(
 
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Can anyone give me some help please? I was diagnosed with type 2 after readings were as high as 28.5 a few months ago and prescribed 1500mg of metformin a day. I have cut out carbs and sugar albeit have plenty of fruit but I cannot get my readings under 10, and am now prescribed 2000mg a day of metformin a day, should I be worried :(:(
Yes a little. Have you a meter? If you have then you can use it to find out what raises your sugar the most and then stop eating it. Another point is that at first you may not be too good at identifying carbs and managing them.

When are you taking these readings with respect to when you have eaten? A rule of thumb is to take a reading two hours after eating by which time it should be below 8.5.

That's enough for now. Come back and ask questions later if you wish.
 

Traceb

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Thanks Squire, I have been using my meter but regardless of I when I check either first thing in the morning, before eating or after eating its always between 10 and 11. I usually have low sugar porridge for breakfast with blueberries, skinny soup for lunch and chicken or fish with lots of veg for dinner. I fill up on fruit and nuts during the day.
 

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I'll tag @daisy1 for the extremely useful intro to the way a lot of us control our Type 2.
You seem to be eating a lot of carbohydrate - which most of us find isn't great for controlling blood sugar levels.
Porridge, skinny anything, fruit and maybe even some of the veg could be stopping your blood sugar from coming down.
Have a read around the forum and you'll find lots of ideas of how to lower your sugars by eating far nicer things..
 

Traceb

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Oh dear, back to the drawing board for me then. The porridge is really low sugar and the soup is 4.8g of carbs with 0.3g of sugar so I thought this would be ok...
 

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Fruit (except for small amounts of berries) and grains may be scuppering your efforts to lower your blood glucose. There are apps and books on the carb value of foods which are extremely helpful in the early stages of learning how to adjust your diet.
 

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Hi and welcome,

Are you keeping a detailed food diary that includes all the ingredients and portion sizes? If not, it is a good idea to do so. You can then test before you eat and again 2 hours after first bite, and record these levels alongside the food. In your shoes I would forget taking a fasting reading in the morning for the time being. They don't tell you very much when first starting, and it can be a long and difficult journey to bring them down. The lower you rise from before to after eating, the better your general levels will become, but it does take time. Try to keep any rise from before to after under 2mmol/l, and preferably less than that. More than that and there were too many carbs on your plate.

Fruit is a major problem for Type 2s because the fructose is sent straight to the liver where it is converted to fat - and fatty livers are one of the causes of T2 in the first place. The aim is to rid the liver of fat. Berries such as strawberries and raspberries are safe enough, but again, portion size is important, and they are best eaten with cream or full fat plain yogurts as part of a meal rather than a stand-alone snack.

It is all very confusing at first, but things will fall in place, and our meters and food diaries help enormously.
 

bulkbiker

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Oh dear, back to the drawing board for me then. The porridge is really low sugar and the soup is 4.8g of carbs with 0.3g of sugar so I thought this would be ok...
You'll soon find your way. Do you find you are hungry a lot of the time? That could be because you aren't having enough fat in your food. All this skinny stuff doesn't fill you up. Carbs all turn to glucose once eaten so I find it best to avoid them as much as possible and instead have nicer things like eggs, bacon, cheese, cream etc..
 

Traceb

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Thanks Guys, Little did I know eating skinny and fruit was a bad thing lol and yes bulkbiker I am always hungry...I'm sure there are some great GPs and Diabetic Nurses out there but mine just gave me the meds and basically told me to go and research. I'm sure I will get used to it but its all a bit confusing at the moment and I feel a bit swamped:(:(
 

woodywhippet61

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Oh dear, back to the drawing board for me then. The porridge is really low sugar and the soup is 4.8g of carbs with 0.3g of sugar so I thought this would be ok...

Look at the back of packets and see how much carbohydrate is in a product. I go for under 5g per 100g being okay or up to 10g occasionally. I like tomato soup and it raises my glucose levels higher than a proper full meal does, so I do have it but not very often i.e. twice in 5 months.

Carbs can also cause carb cravings. Carb cravings mean that I feel that I need to eat even though I'm not actually hungry.

Sorry wrote this awhile ago and forgot to post it.
 
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woodywhippet61

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Thanks Guys, Little did I know eating skinny and fruit was a bad thing lol and yes bulkbiker I am always hungry...I'm sure there are some great GPs and Diabetic Nurses out there but mine just gave me the meds and basically told me to go and research. I'm sure I will get used to it but its all a bit confusing at the moment and I feel a bit swamped:(:(

The hunger could be from eating carbs. That kind of eat something and then 2 hours later hungry again stuff. That can be carbs causing it. I eat a small piece of cheese or a few nuts like Macadamias or Pecans and the hunger goes. Also diet drinks give me cravings. But they are fine for other people. It's all trial and error and finding out what suits you. Take each meal at a time. Learn from eating them and go forwards. You can do this.
 
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Resurgam

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Its not the sugar, its the carbs.
Now where have I heard something like that before? ;)
I'm afraid plenty of fruit is plenty of carbs, as is porridge, and blueberries are the highest carbs of the berries - and you could be including such 'healthy' choices as sweet potatoes and sweetcorn in your diet - both are high carb.
I have managed to lower my levels just by watching the amount of carbs and when I eat them - I can eat more later in the day but have 60 gm absolute max per day.
 

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Can anyone give me some help please? I was diagnosed with type 2 after readings were as high as 28.5 a few months ago and prescribed 1500mg of metformin a day. I have cut out carbs and sugar albeit have plenty of fruit but I cannot get my readings under 10, and am now prescribed 2000mg a day of metformin a day, should I be worried :(:(

No you shouldn’t worried your doctor should advice you what to do if your too high or low do you have a specialist that deals with diabetes my dad likes jelly babies if he goes low what are your symptoms
 

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@Traceb

Hello Trace and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it interesting and useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 259,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

Traceb

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Hi, my symptoms are feeling really light headed and tired and extremely thirsty all the time...
 

Traceb

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@Traceb

Hello Trace and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it interesting and useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 259,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

Pinkorchid

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Sometimes it can seem a bit scary here when people tell you this that and the other and it can be quite confusing. What people here tell you is only their own experience of controlling their diabetes and what they can eat or not but we all very different and there is no one way to suit all.
For me I just stopped or lowered the starchy carbs like rice pasta,.,never did eat much of those anyway... bread potatoes and all sugar stuff I still eat fruit like clementines berries or an apple sometimes and most vegetables. Testing never really worked for me testing for the same foods was always a different result so I never took it as reliable but many people find it is best for them to do it. I would not tell anyone to do it the same way as me but to do what suits them not what suits others
 

Phoenix55

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Welcome @Traceb, first well done on lowering your bg levels to between 10 and 11 in a short time. Unfortunately if you are to remain healthy they need to come down still further. As other posters have suggested it is the 'hidden carbs' that scupper our initial attempts to bring our levels down. I found that keeping a food and exercise diary combined with testing each meal at least twice helped me to determine what I could and could not eat. For me, wheat products send my bg up, which I had not expected. Then I came here and found that there are a number of people who have the same problem.
Have you been losing weight? Do you need to lose weight? Some people find that if they lose weight their numbers come down, others don't need to lose weight when they are diagnosed. A low carb diet will tend to weight loss particularly if you increase your activity levels, so we tend to increase the foods that have healthy fats to compensate so that we don't feel hungry.