Hungry for life?

NorthCountryMaid

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I'm not even totally sure that I have been officially diagnosed as diabetic. My 2 fasting blood sugar levels were 7.9 and 8.4 which, the doctor told me, counts as into diabetic territory. Was that a diagnosis, or are there further stages?

Meanwhile I have noticed some things (like needing to pee more often) which might be symptoms.

However, the one which is really getting to me ATM is feeling hungry - desperate never-mind-the-next-meal-where-is-the-nearest-Mars-bar hunger. This is combined with a degree of light-headedness which can leave me feeling almost sick. For years when that combination cut in, I said "Low blood sugar" and had something to eat.

Now I gather that this is a symptom of diabetes and doesn't signal a need to eat.

So the question is this: Am I going to feel so hungry that I feel sick with it for the rest of my life?
 

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Hi your results from the test as your GP says is borderline but do not let it play mind games with you.
If your doctor does not refer you to a diabetic dietician you should request one asap,my wife has been borderline on and of for years but with a fairly healthy diet and excercise she has overcome the symtems that you have at the momment.
 

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I know exactly what you mean about the hunger thing. Like you, I used to get low-sugar hunger (when I was a kid, before diagnosis) and then when I developed diabetes I would get a slightly different but still all-consuming hunger (because my body wasn't getting enough from the food I was eating).
In answer to your question, no, you don't need to be hungry for the rest of your life - keep on at your doctor to help you and sort out a treatment plan that suits you, including specialist advice as aboz says. Make sure it's a specialist diabetic dietitian not an 'ordinary' one.

You might be interested in this quote, by RD Lawrence who was a diabetic and a doctor. Here he is describing the hunger that he felt when he was developing diabetes (before he got treated).
“…this begins as an increase of normal appetite, but becomes later a ravenous hunger, experienced in the pit of the stomach. It is usually worst towards the end of a meal or may be felt as a constant empty ache encircling the body.”
Lawrence, A Diabetic Life 1925
 

NorthCountryMaid

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Snodger said:
Keep on at your doctor to help you and sort out a treatment plan that suits you, including specialist advice as aboz says. Make sure it's a specialist diabetic dietitian not an 'ordinary' one.
I spoke to my doctor a couple of weeks ago (haven't seen anyone more recently - snow renders me housebound, and this time I couldn't have asked a doctor to try to get in here either).

Anyway, we have a specialist diabetes unit in Newcastle - to which I have no access, since they are too busy supporting those who are insulin-dependent. I do have an appointment with a dietician, but it's 50-50 as to whether I'm going to be able to make it (see remarks on snow above).

I'm clear that only I am going to be making decisions about what it, or is not, going to be cut out of my life - and when it comes to limiting my choices, then the diabetes is going to have to take its place in the queue.
 

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Your choices will be taken away from you if your blood numbers deteriate. You are at a crossroad and fortunate to be aware of your position. A little control now may save a lot of disruption to your life down the road. Wish I had been given your present opportunity, I was in deep water before I knew it. Like so many people here. Spend a couple of hours reading other peoples probs. Take care
 

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It's all very worrying when you are given partial info, & no guidance.

You may find this thread on the X-PERT course helpful.

You will find that trying to satisfying hunger with Mars bars will not help. Sugar is digested quickly, so you soon need more. On a low carb diet I rarely get hungry, & have occasional snacks of fat/protein foods like cocktail sausages, cheese & nuts, without bread or biscuits.
 

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NCM
It's worth making a few changes to what you eat.
Try cutting hard back on the starches/sugars[carbs] and boosting your fats.Fats have a high satiety value.Carbs give you a "rush", which ends in a drop.
It may help your symptoms. It can't hurt you so what's to lose? If you turn out to be diabetic, this strategy would help with control too.
Hana
 

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A really small portion of something with fat in it is great way to stave off hunger.

A teaspoon of peanut buter.
A teaspoon of sandwich filler (Cheese n' onion, Chicken and Bacon, Tuna Mayonisse, etc...)
Chunk of cheese.
Couple of slices of salami
Peperrami
Couple of olives
Couple of sunblush tomatoes (in olive oil w/garlic and herbs)
Small handfull of nuts (not peanuts or cashews)

Fat is GREAT at keeping you full. You don't need a lot. It was a major revelation for me, having always tried to fill upon fruit and wholewheat (low fat) foods, but never feeling full.

Give it a try and see how you get on.
 

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Patch - could you tell me why not cashews. I love them...
 

Patch

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Cashews and Peaunts are not strictly nuts - they are more of a pulse. They have more carbs than most other nuts. (You can tell this when you bite into a cashew - more of a dusty, carby texture than say, brazils, pine nuts or macadamias).

That's not to say you cant have them occassionally. I LOVE the marmite cashews - but I could sit and eat a whole pack in one go, easy. With other nuts, a small hand full is enough to feel satiated (full).

Macadamias, Brazils, Pine Nuts and Almonds are good ones to have at hand for daily snacking. Cashews (especially marmite cashews! :wink: ) are a once in a while treat for me...
 

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Patch said:
Cashews and Peaunts are not strictly nuts - they are more of a pulse. They have more carbs than most other nuts. (You can tell this when you bite into a cashew - more of a dusty, carby texture than say, brazils, pine nuts or macadamias)

Oh dear - that's why I like them so much. I have just made my week's breakfast ration of low-carb muesli and have put lots in...

Thanks for the info :)
 

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stewart.uk said:
Your choices will be taken away from you if your blood numbers deteriate. You are at a crossroad and fortunate to be aware of your position. A little control now may save a lot of disruption to your life down the road. Wish I had been given your present opportunity, I was in deep water before I knew it. Like so many people here. Spend a couple of hours reading other peoples probs. Take care
Thank you for your kind words - I have been reading some of the posts on this and other diabetic forums, including that of an American lady who had just had one foot amputated. I also took another look at a clip from the "Embarrassing Bodies" program where one of the doctors gave a thorough scolding to a man who had been largely ignoring the diabetes issues and was now discovering circulation problems. "You have to prioritise your diabetes - it's a horrible illness.

Have you heard the "but" hovering in the air?

But No 1 is aimed partly as the poster who recommending, "boosting your fats."

Does this apply even though I've just been put on statins, because my cholesterol reading was 8.1 and my BMI is awful (probably cause of diabetes)

It gets a little worse. Actually quite a lot worse. For the last 25 years I have had severe ME - this is the "spend a lot of your life in bed, and only go out when someone else pushes your wheelchair for you variety ." That has over the last couple of years largely removed many of the pleasures of life - going out too tiring, exercise very damaging, concentration very patchy (email a great way to communicate - doesn't matter if it takes you ages to read and proof what you' trying to say :D ) so I can't enjoy the reading which was once of life's greatest pleasures. Flowers (and perfume!) make me sneeze. I don't smoke or drink. I'm told I'm a nightmare to buy presents for.

So eating has been both a sensory delight and a outlet for stress. Unfortunately, the ME has also mucked up my digestion somewhat - my bowel gets rebellious over spicy food, fibrous food, over-rich food. I call it IBS, because that'd exactly what it feels like. The specialists hate that term, but when I got rushed into hospital late one evening, they gave my bowel a good checking over and found nothing but diverticulitis. I know what foods give me severe abdominal cramping.

And then 3/4 years ago, I was told that I have MS.

This means that, amongst other things, I could be good as gold over my diet and still lose my sight to the MS. I could lose my foot to diabetes, but (from the way things are going) my legs to MS even sooner.

My experience, and that of others, is that many physios and other medical types have decided that the ME is at best, MS that went undiagnosed and, at worst, a form of hypochondria and learned helplessness or simple fraud. This means that when a health care professional looks at me they have already decided that I need something changing - what they want depends on what disease they think I have - and the ME can safely be ignored now that I am genuinely ill.

So I usually try to get what help I can, but letting medics tell you what to do, and do so on inadequate data is not the path the health, but to misery and confusion. Some of them are really trying to help, and some simply trying to "rescue" me and demonstrate their own superiority and control over me.

Even the better ones really don't believe me - I keep telling my doctor that I have intermittent, but increasing lower back pain, which I think is probably caused by the worsening of some damage to the spine which was diagnosed by a rheumatologist nearly a decade ago. She has, grudgingly, booked me in for a bone scan - but only because I persisted.

And somewhere in the midst of all this I would like to have a little life as well - I'm 57 now, but I don't think that I need to plan for a long life as my body is packing in around me. In recent months (since a string of family upsets) the food has been one way of coping with the spasms and the pain - I prefer it to the chemical coshes which seem to be the only alternative the works.

I'm not ignoring or forgetting about the diabetes, but it is going to have to take its turn, like everything else, and learn to play nicely.
 

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NorthCountryMaid"]I'm not even totally sure that I have been officially diagnosed as diabetic. My 2 fasting blood sugar levels were 7.9 and 8.4 which, the doctor told me, counts as into diabetic territory. Was that a diagnosis, or are there further stages?

Firstly if you are unsure then you need to discuss this with your GP.

Your profile shows you as a Type 1, diet only. Can you clarify that please........
 

NorthCountryMaid

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cugila said:
Firstly if you are unsure then you need to discuss this with your GP.

Your profile shows you as a Type 1, diet only. Can you clarify that please........
Since I wrote the first post I have seen my GP who confirms it as diabetes, "though we have caught it early".

I have changed my profile so it doesn't show Type 1 - I'm afraid that was just left on all the default settings. I'll edit it more some other time.
 

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Thanks for that NCM. It helps the members to know what type etc....... :)