Mody 3?

Lizzy29

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Type of diabetes
MODY
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Diet only
Is there anyone else out there who has been diagnosed with the genetically inherited form of Diabetes known as MODY 3 (Mature onset Diabetes of the Young) or otherwise known as HNF1a?

As it is quite rare there seems to be limited advice available as to best management of the condition.

I am currently managing on diet alone using the HFLC diet and want to remain that way.

How are others coping and what can I expect over time?
 
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Type of diabetes
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Other
Dear Lizzy,

Always happy to connect and exchange notes with a fellow MODY 3 patient! Thank you for posting. I would love to hear about your own journey with MODY3 and what you have observed, and if anything here seems relevant to you.

I'm writing from Canada. I've recently been confirmed through a genetic screening to be an HNF1A mutant:) (at age 40). My father has been treated as a type II up until I began to do research into diabetes in our family and concluded that my father was likely MODY. His recent genetic test confirmed it. My research and support in my family has resulted in changes in medications for my cousin as well, as well as diagnostic tests for other family members at risk of having inherited the mutation.

I haven't found a lot discussion groups or resources that would be specific to HNF1A diabetics.

However, through regular monitoring over the past year or so I've observed some things that are relevant to me and may or may not apply to others HNF1A mutants. So please take anything written here with a huge grain of salt. I'm not a medical specialist. I've also done a fair bit of observation and monitoring over the past year or so.

Once I learned of our family history I had an OGGT that was high-normal fasting, but 12mmol at 2hrs. My HbA1C was 6.2 or prediabetic. I've always been active, vegetarian for most of my life, and have had a very lean body type.

Our condition is such that we are born with everything working normally, and then as we age our pancreas/beta cells produce less and less insulin (estimated to be 1 or a few percentage points a year). Thus, regardless of lifestyle, our condition worsens.

Unlike other forms of diabetes, we are particularly responsive to a class of medication: Sulfonylureas. Many of us HNF1A mutants, if we need to be medicated, can be medicated with a drug of this kind for decades. There are also cases of previously mis-diagnosed Type I diabetics switching off of insulin and onto Sulfonylureas once a MODY3 diagnosis has been confirmed. So for you, if you are not yet on any medication, you can expect to fair very well on oral medication when the time comes to be medicated (most likely for decades if things remain well managed).

Activity and diet (as you have experienced) can have a dramatic effect on our glycemic control and thus avoids long periods of hyperglycemia that can speed up pancreatic/beta cell decline. Seems to me that lifestlye factors for HNF1A mutants in particular is under-emphasized through my experience with endocrinologists. And if there is specific advice for MODY3 patients, I haven't heard any from diabetic specialists (doctors, diabetic nurses/dieticians etc.) that I've spoken to.

I suspect that it is especially relevant to HNF1A mutants to consider the insulinogenic properties of food (that is how much insulin the food elicits). I could be wrong about this, but that is my suspicion. My experience is that it is important to eat enough carbs in order to elicit insulin production. Thus, I don't follow a no-carb diet. Of course too many carbs will lead me to be too high...so it's a challenge.

Other observations:
I've noticed that if I go too long without eating, my sugar will slowly rise. I think this is due to producing glycogen ('in house' sugar produced by the liver) which does not elicit an insulin response (relatively speaking) for me. Similarly, after competitive exercise (e.g. playing football/soccer for an hour), my sugar levels will often be higher. I believe this is also due to 'in house' sugar (glycogen) not eliciting an insulin response.

However, food elicits insulin for me, albeit an impaired response at this stage of my condition.

Eating the right foods appears to elicit a better insulin response. At my particular stage of this disease, I am now 'medicating' myself through activity and diet. I've noticed that in particular animal meat and some other foods tend to help me to avoid any peeks after meals (which is the main concern at this stage of my MODY3 progression). Indeed, since it is the post-prandial peeks that are my main concern, I suspect that HbA1C is proxy but not a gold standard of indicating unhealthy levels of blood sugar in our case. I believe this since my fasting blood sugar is always within normal (albeit high normal), thus my previous 'pre-diabetic' HbA1C must have been caused by diabetic levels after meals. Thus the HbA1C measure--since it is an average of glucose in the blood over a 2-3month period--in effect hides the degree of blood sugar variability that HNF1A mutants can experience after meals. It is not clear to me in what ways, or how much I should be concerned, about the variability (i.e. I may peek around 10mmols a couple of times a month, but have an HbA1C of 5, does this matter much? I don't know. At what point should I be medicated? If I was less vigilant, surely I would already be medicated... Still lots of questions to be answered for me).

I've also observed that very brief and high intensity exercise when my sugar levels are higher than I would like, can effectively bring my sugar levels back down to normal after 3-5 min of exercise (e.g. pushups, running on the spot). Depending this will bring my sugar levels down by 1-3mmols right away. Thus, when I have a reading that is on the high side, I can bring it down (usually, but not always depending upon the amount of sleep I've had or if I have a cold) quite quickly.

I have not yet needed any meds and my more recent HbA1C was 5.0. So I'm no longer 'pre-diabetic' although what is important for us are avoiding our peeks after meals. These occur often 1hr after eating in my experience.

Longer sessions of exercise that are not too high intensity (e.g jogging for 45 min) will help keep my blood sugar levels lower for the next 24-36 hours.

Based in Chicago is one of the centres for research into monogenetic forms of diabetes like ours. If you wish you can volunteer to join one of their research projects. The link to their monogenetic registry is here: http://monogenicdiabetes.uchicago.edu/our-research/registration/mody-registry/
and here https://cri-app02.bsd.uchicago.edu/monogenics/Registration_2013.aspx?u=1
I suspect, because our diabetes can be traced to a specific genetic mutation, that we ought to be the subject of research into diabetes in general, as we represent a more 'controlled' version of diabetes in the sense of it being caused by fewer factors that are more easily isolated than for the average Type I or Type II diabetic.

Again, I'm a lay person and have not medical expertise. Please take anything I share here with an enormous grain of salt.

I would love to hear of any observations that you've made as we learn our way into the best possible lifestyle for our form of diabetes. I feel that we are on the cusp of learning more about how HNF1A diabetics may be treated specifically and more effectively. We are very lucky to have the disease at this point in our medical knowledge compared to even 10 years ago.

Wishing you all the best,

Warmly,
Rodney

ps I've attached a couple of key research articles on our form of diabetes in case they are of interest.


Is there anyone else out there who has been diagnosed with the genetically inherited form of Diabetes known as MODY 3 (Mature onset Diabetes of the Young) or otherwise known as HNF1a?

As it is quite rare there seems to be limited advice available as to best management of the condition.

I am currently managing on diet alone using the HFLC diet and want to remain that way.

How are others coping and what can I expect over time?
 

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ExChocoholic

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Type 2
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Tablets (oral)
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It has been suggested by an endocrinnologist that I may have MODY. Booked in with Dr for referall and tests.
 

jackamadeus

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Type of diabetes
MODY
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Tablets (oral)
Hi,

My name is Jack and I also have MODY 3. Incorrectly diagnosed as Type 1 Diabetes aged 18, I was moved from Insulin to Gliclazide 20mg per day once more testing was done.

Until recently this was fine with HbA1Cs averaging around 46/47. I recently had a period of high blood sugars, most likely related to a virus. So have upped the dose to 40mg per day with good results.

My consultant seems to think this sort of dosage will suffice for a couple of decades.

Always happy to help anyone with MODY as there is little information out there!

Jack
 

thomc_82

Member
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Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Insulin
Hi Jack,
I am Type 1 and I heard about MODY for the first time recently and many aspects sound like they could apply to me.
You say you were misdiagnosed as Type 1 first. Would you be so kind as to say what sugar levels you had, to be considered Type 1? I am trying to ascertain if someone with Type 1 sugar levels (I was 16mmol at diagnosis) could have MODY.
Your HbA1C with the tablets is a HbA1C that I could only dream about. Mine is usually 64. Were you on much insulin before being swapped to tablets? Also, do you knwo why tablets are more suitable than insulin for your treatment?

Sorry about all the questions, but there is only limited info about this online.
I would appreciate your reply!
Thomas
 

Tracey1963

Member
Messages
7
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Is there anyone else out there who has been diagnosed with the genetically inherited form of Diabetes known as MODY 3 (Mature onset Diabetes of the Young) or otherwise known as HNF1a?

As it is quite rare there seems to be limited advice available as to best management of the condition.

I am currently managing on diet alone using the HFLC diet and want to remain that way.

How are others coping and what can I expect over time?
 

Tracey1963

Member
Messages
7
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
I have asked my Diabetic nurse about MODY and LADA because my diabetes appears to be very hereditary with every female in my family diabetic including my Gran, her daughters who are my Aunts and my Mum and my 2 sisters and 3 female cousins. But she says there are only two types recognised in the UK 1 and 2. And that NHS don't test for other types because it is too expensive. :/
 
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Type of diabetes
MODY
Treatment type
Other
Hi Jack,
I am Type 1 and I heard about MODY for the first time recently and many aspects sound like they could apply to me.
You say you were misdiagnosed as Type 1 first. Would you be so kind as to say what sugar levels you had, to be considered Type 1? I am trying to ascertain if someone with Type 1 sugar levels (I was 16mmol at diagnosis) could have MODY.
Your HbA1C with the tablets is a HbA1C that I could only dream about. Mine is usually 64. Were you on much insulin before being swapped to tablets? Also, do you knwo why tablets are more suitable than insulin for your treatment?

Sorry about all the questions, but there is only limited info about this online.
I would appreciate your reply!
Thomas

Hi Thomas,
A person’s HbA1C or sugar levels are not an Differential indicator of MODY vs Type I. MODY can manifest different for different people even if they share the same identical genetic mutation that causes the condition.

In all cases though—as far as I know—ones capacity to produce insulin is impaired and slowly becomes more impaired over time.

I’m MODY 3 and—a bit unusually—am able to ‘medicate’ myself with food and lifestyle. I will need meds in the near future however.

Response to the class of drugs Solfonylureas is 4x more effective for MODY3 diabetics compared with Type 2.
MODY3 usually can produce some insulin but not enough (ie are not Type I). Also, there is no autoimmune aspect to MODY3 folks. There is also no insulin resistance (as would be the case for Type 2 diabetics). Indeed there is evidence that there is some insulin sensitivity for MODY 3. We just don’t provide enough.


For these reasons. People misdiagnosed with Type I who are MODY3 can sometimes be taken off insulin and put on a Sulfonylurea instead.

All the best!
R
 
Messages
21
Type of diabetes
MODY
Treatment type
Other
I have asked my Diabetic nurse about MODY and LADA because my diabetes appears to be very hereditary with every female in my family diabetic including my Gran, her daughters who are my Aunts and my Mum and my 2 sisters and 3 female cousins. But she says there are only two types recognised in the UK 1 and 2. And that NHS don't test for other types because it is too expensive. :/
Hi Tracy,
I find this shocking. That nurse is likely not informed. Speak with other more I formed health professionals. There are many diabetic nurses and even some practicing endocrinologists (those who don’t follow research over the past decade or more) who know very little about MODY or assume it makes no difference in treatment anyway (which isn’t true!)

I suggest speaking with an endocrinologist. Don’t be shy to advocate for too care and insist on speaking to a professional with knowledge of MODY.

On Canada, based upon a family history like yours, genetic testing is covered to verify/rule out, MODY/LADA.

I’m not familiar with how those tests get paid for in the UK.

Keep advocating! They should be covered since misdiagnosis costs public funds in health care and since the costs of those tests continue to become lower.

Warmly,
R
 

jackamadeus

Newbie
Messages
2
Type of diabetes
MODY
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi Jack,
I am Type 1 and I heard about MODY for the first time recently and many aspects sound like they could apply to me.
You say you were misdiagnosed as Type 1 first. Would you be so kind as to say what sugar levels you had, to be considered Type 1? I am trying to ascertain if someone with Type 1 sugar levels (I was 16mmol at diagnosis) could have MODY.
Your HbA1C with the tablets is a HbA1C that I could only dream about. Mine is usually 64. Were you on much insulin before being swapped to tablets? Also, do you knwo why tablets are more suitable than insulin for your treatment?

Sorry about all the questions, but there is only limited info about this online.
I would appreciate your reply!
Thomas

Hi Thomas,

I would be hesitant to offer any thoughts on your situation as that should be left to the professionals!

Happy to expand on my personal experience though.

It is worth noting that there also different types of MODY.

I first experienced high blood sugars when I was coming out of major spinal surgery for scoliosis, aged around 15. At the time this was dismissed as due to the trauma and I was given insulin to bring it back down. Nothing then happened until I was 17, and went for a full medical.

I had high sugar levels in my urine, so was send for blood tests and they came back high. I was rushed to hospital to start normal diabetic treatment for type 1. I was on 4 doses of insulin per day, and it wasn't working at all with my blood sugars all over the place. Can't remember specifics but way too high and then too low.

After a while of being monitored I was referred to the Genetic Clinic at Imperial who have been looking after me ever since. They noticed that I was still making insulin after the usual honeymoon period of Type 1.

As I said I am now on 40mg a day, and seems to be working well.

Not sure if any of that helps but I hope so. I'm sure it couldn't hard to ask whoever provides your treatment next time you see them.

Best wishes,

Jack
 

desidiabulum

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I have asked my Diabetic nurse about MODY and LADA because my diabetes appears to be very hereditary with every female in my family diabetic including my Gran, her daughters who are my Aunts and my Mum and my 2 sisters and 3 female cousins. But she says there are only two types recognised in the UK 1 and 2. And that NHS don't test for other types because it is too expensive. :/
Hi. Your nurse is simply wrong. Other types are 'recognised in the UK' (whatever that means), and the NHS certainly does test for MODY and LADA (as many of us can attest). Your particular surgery may wish to avoid the expense, but I suggest that you discuss this with someone else at the practice. Good luck!
 
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