Steroidal Induced Type 2 And Low Carb Programs

Sailorbob

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Hi
I was never overweight but had took high dose steroids for a kidney condition which caused my type 2.
More and more programs come up on TV about low carb treatments to put diabetes into remission, recently two.
Question:- Can this be done for someone who is not overweight and does not have type 2 caused by lifestyle.
If I took the same low level of intake I don't think there would be much left.

An experience: My practise has a habit of prescribing Ramipril presumably as protection as I have only one kidney operating.
I do not have high blood pressure and never have in the past. Try and convince travel insurance companies that it is being used to protect rather than relieve symptom of high blood pressure has proved impossible. The medicine is on a crib sheet and that is what it is used for is argued so pay up or don't go.
 
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Indy51

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Many people find their kidney function improves using a low carb diet. We have quite a few people on the forumswho developed type 2 from steroid use - my memory is being stubborn at the moment, so unfortunately I can't tag any of them for you.

Welcome to the forum and I'll tag @daisy1 for advice for newcomers :)
 
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Jo_the_boat

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The other point is perhaps that you can gain weight (or maintain it) by eating more good fat despite pretty low carbs.
Ask me how know!
 

daisy1

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@Sailorbob

Hello Sailorbob and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Sid Bonkers

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Hi, my T2 was steroid induced although unlike you I was overweight as I was on steroids for 3 years and my weight ballooned from around 14 stone to over 18.5 stone at diagnosis.

I was diagnosed and put on metformin and Insulin MDI treatment (multi daily injections) and after getting advice from several books and from people here on this forum managed t wean myself off prednisolone and insulin within 12 months, within weeks my bg had returned to almost normal levels and now 8 + years later I am off all T2 meds, and in that first 12 months I managed to lose 4 stone in weight and a further stone over the next 12 months, and I have maintained that weight loss, I am currently still under 13 stone.

I still follow the same diet as I did at the start but now I eat more carbs than I did to begin with and they have little effect on my bg although I still consider myself a T2 just a well controlled T2.

What did I do?
I cut the carbs in my diet to 60g a day for the first 12 months and cut out ALL alcohol for about 4 months as well, I didnt increase the amount of fat in my diet as I wanted to lose weight but I still functioned perfectly well without the carbs I used to eat and still do.

I now eat a normal diet but still eat fewer carbs than I did, I dont count them now but would guess I probably currently eat around 150g a day but thats a very rough guess and sometimes it would be a lot more.

So yes someone who is not fat can still reverse SIT2 (steroid induced T2) diabetes, its not the fat that you can see that causes insulin resistance its the visceral fat that surrounds your vital organs, mainly your liver and pancreas that is the initial cause, and yes thin people can have unseen visceral fat. But if you want to "reverse it" you will have to be strict with your diet but I promise you it is worth the effort.
 

JohnEGreen

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Don't mean to rain on your parade but that is what I thought up to a few weeks ago when I had after having very good BG control and a HbA1c of 35 for some time. because of an exacerbation of my MG had to double my pred dosage and that has disrupted my BG control. I was I thought in remission may be I was but remission does not mean cure you may be able to tolerate more carbs now as for some while I could, so I urge you please don't push it further than you should keep the carbs at an arms length.

As a point of interest when I described my self as T2 my diabetic consultant corrected me most strenuously you are he said a steroid induced T3E diabetic there is a difference.

Also it's not just a matter of weight and fat it's more complex than that Prednisolone has a direct effect it reduces or interferes with the sensitivity of the liver to the insulin produced by the pancreas. The insulin is not just to force glucose into fat cells it is a hormonal trigger and is supposed to help control the amount of glucose released by the liver, prednisolone by it interference causes higher blood sugar and helps raise IR.

And sadly for many of us our diabetes will continue until we can stop the preds some of us of course are on them for good.

Bye the way yes preds can also cause cushings which in my case like you put my weight up to 18.5 stones I am now 10.5 stones

I was first prescribed Prednisolone 17 years ago I will be taking them indefinitely.

I am glad you found success and I sincerely hope that is permanent for you .

Good luck for the future all the best John