Positive results finally

[KennyA]

I was just wondering if baseline is the number you started with before you ate? So it would go like this-- start at , say, 8 . Eat then measure 2 hours later and be at 10? Or whatever the numbers were. But if it was at 11 then it was too many carbs?

That's pretty much it. One bit I left out is that you're expected to be below 7.8mmol/l as well - that's because that's thought to be the upper bound of "normal" BG. The other thing is that what appears to do danage is high BG over time - a short-lived high rise into double figures would worry me much less than an 8.5 (for example) that lasted hours.

So yes - I did just this recently for a new (to me) Italian brand of pasta (Barilla, made in Italy with Italian flour, not British flour) and I had these results : before eating (7.15pm) I had a baseline figure of 5.3mmo/l and at 9.15pm the retest gave me a reading of 6.1 mmol/l. I ate carb so expected a rise, the thing I was testing for was whether my system was able to cope. It could.

I undoubtedly had a much higher BG between 7.15 and 9.15 and probably hit peak BG about 8pm. But my system coped OK and I think I can add that pasta to the "occasional" list. I will test again to check, though.

 

[blackboxes]

I don't disagree for a moment that those sort of carb and sugar recommendations are no good for anyone with T2. The problem is that the official NHS "healthy eating" advice is still to base all meals around carbohydrates and to avoid fat. Changing that would be an admission that the advice we've been told to follow since the 1980s is/was wrong. The advice from the American College of Cardiology has been changed as long as six years ago - see this link:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109720356874?via%3Dihub

But it's because of the poor advice still being given that pro-low carb forums like this exist. You could also look up people like Dr David Cavan, Dr David Unwin, Dr Jason Fung, Dr Michael Eades - as well as many other non-medics.

There's absolutely nothing new about low carb/keto as a way of tackling diabetes - it saved my great-grandmother's life a hundred years ago when she was diagnosed as T1 before porcine insulin was available, and it wasn't even new then.

I like dr Jason Fung.
And I like his sugar bowl analogy.

 

[blackboxes]

I'm 32% into a 36 hour fast. I've always wanted to try one.
One thing I find is the the more I eat when I eat the next fast is harder. Idk if it's the food choice or just fasting getting harder.

 

[Mrs Redboots]

I'm 32% into a 36 hour fast. I've always wanted to try one.
One thing I find is the the more I eat when I eat the next fast is harder. Idk if it's the food choice or just fasting getting harder.

Do be careful, as you really don't want a hypo! Not saying don't try it, just saying do keep an eye on yourself, and if you start to feel wobbly, have something to eat pdq!

 

[blackboxes]

Do be careful, as you really don't want a hypo! Not saying don't try it, just saying do keep an eye on yourself, and if you start to feel wobbly, have something to eat pdq!

Thanks

 

[blackboxes]

I don't disagree for a moment that those sort of carb and sugar recommendations are no good for anyone with T2. The problem is that the official NHS "healthy eating" advice is still to base all meals around carbohydrates and to avoid fat. Changing that would be an admission that the advice we've been told to follow since the 1980s is/was wrong. The advice from the American College of Cardiology has been changed as long as six years ago - see this link:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109720356874?via%3Dihub

But it's because of the poor advice still being given that pro-low carb forums like this exist. You could also look up people like Dr David Cavan, Dr David Unwin, Dr Jason Fung, Dr Michael Eades - as well as many other non-medics.

There's absolutely nothing new about low carb/keto as a way of tackling diabetes - it saved my great-grandmother's life a hundred years ago when she was diagnosed as T1 before porcine insulin was available, and it wasn't even new then.

I've listened to many of Jason fungs videos on fasting. But I can't seem to find any hours of fasting recommendations. For diabetes.
Does he give any?

 

[KennyA]

I've listened to many of Jason fungs videos on fasting. But I can't seem to find any hours of fasting recommendations. For diabetes.
Does he give any?

I don't think so, but I could very easily be wrong. I fast off and on, but it's unplanned - I don't eat when I'm not hungry, and if my better half is away I can do two days quite easily without food. Today we ate quite late (about 9pm) and I don't think I had anything substantial apart from coffee before that. That was probably >24 hrs.

I guess that if what you're doing works for you, that's the most important thing.