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a kind of warning of diet drinking

Freema

Freema

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Hey all yesterday I went to my dentist,and sitting there with mouth wide open he asked me of I had Bulimia or had a lot of stomach acid or drank a lot of juice or alike, I answered no to all of his questions , and asked if he thought that sugarfree gum could be the problem , NO he answered ... hmm then I remembered that I didn´t use to drink a lot of pepsi max before my diabetes, and then the reason for my tooth decay was found...
so well these diet drinks the sugarfree kinds can be maybe even worse when it comes to acid than the sugary ones... I am quite shocked actually that 3 month of pepsi max can make such a difference... so from now on I´ll mix the pepsi max with half water , and change to drinking a lot more herbal tea instead... don´t want to miss my teeth that soon... it showed on the backside of my teeth.. not on the front , so hard to detect if not really excamining ones teeth with a mirror..

maybe this warning is in the wrong place so I am okay if it is put in another tread. But cheers my dears but not in pepsi max...:)
 
At last ! Someone else who sees diet drinks the way I see them. My dentist was the first one to warn me about them several years ago. People rarely listen though, so I guess they will have to find out the hard way just like we did.
 
:( I drink diet drinks occasionally (helps with the bowels), combined with the insane amounts of juice and lollies I need to prevent hypos, I hope my teeth will be ok. Going to the dentist later this month, I'll ask him about the diet drinks. Thanks for the heads up :(
 
My daughter (t2 on insulin) has a rare syndrome, one of the comments n problems is thick saliva which causes enamel erosion.
I was told by the specialist hospital dentist that the problem was carbonated drinks of any kind - even sparkling water. So I wonder if it's the Pepsi Max, or the fact it's carbonated? I'd be interested if there is any research on this...
 
ladybird64 said:
So I wonder if it's the Pepsi Max, or the fact it's carbonated?
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I think diet drinks are worse, but sparkling mineral water can cause problems too. Just speaking from my own experience and what I have noticed for myself. I drank a lot of sparkling water whilst I was kicking the diet drinks habit, but now only have it as a treat.
 
I stick to mainly tea, coffee, wine or water and avoid these chemical concotions that are marketed as "healthier". The secret recipes of these drinks hide all manner of things that, if we were told exactly what was in them we would avoid like the plague.
 
zand said:
At last ! Someone else who sees diet drinks the way I see them. My dentist was the first one to warn me about them several years ago. People rarely listen though, so I guess they will have to find out the hard way just like we did.
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My uncle was a dentist and he used to place an extracted tooth into a glass of Coke, then time lapse photo shoot it as it dissolved overnight. Apparently it only takes about 15 hours for the average molar to dissolve into mush. This was before the days of diet drinks, so the experiment needs to be repeated perhaps

Any dentists out there? Or errant tooth fairies?
 
Rustytypin said:
I stick to mainly tea, coffee, wine or water and avoid these chemical concotions that are marketed as "healthier". The secret recipes of these drinks hide all manner of things that, if we were told exactly what was in them we would avoid like the plague.
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Is that Plague or Plaque?
 
Thanks for the heads up - I drink at least a litre of sparkling flavoured water each day. A habit I also got in to about the time I started low carbing because I don't like the sweeteners they put in diet fizzy drinks.

I'll have to have a re-think.
 
The problem is with fizzy drinks, both diet and sugary - they are acidic and can cause dental erosion. After drinking a fizzy drink, the saliva will generally remineralise the tooth but this is a slow process. It is good advice not to brush the teeth within an hour or so of drinking a fizzy drink as this can wear the enamel away.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3501316.stm

Any acidic food/drink can cause erosion. This is from https://www.dentalhealth.org/tell-me-about/topic/sundry/diet :-
Acidic food and drinks can cause erosion - the gradual dissolving of the tooth enamel. Listed below are the 'pH values' of some food and drinks. The lower the pH number, the more acidic the product. Anything with a pH value lower than 5.5 may cause erosion. 'Alkalis' have a high pH number and cancel out the acid effects of sugars. pH 7 is the middle figure between acid and alkali.​

  • mineral water (still) pH 7.6
  • milk pH 6.9
  • cheddar cheese pH 5.9
  • lager pH 4.4
  • orange juice pH 3.8
  • grapefruit pH 3.3
  • pickles pH 3.2
  • cola pH 2.5
  • red wine pH 2.5
  • vinegar pH 2.0
 
Dark Horse said:
The problem is with fizzy drinks, both diet and sugary - they are acidic and can cause dental erosion. After drinking a fizzy drink, the saliva will generally remineralise the tooth but this is a slow process. It is good advice not to brush the teeth within an hour or so of drinking a fizzy drink as this can wear the enamel away.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3501316.stm

Any acidic food/drink can cause erosion. This is from https://www.dentalhealth.org/tell-me-about/topic/sundry/diet :-
Acidic food and drinks can cause erosion - the gradual dissolving of the tooth enamel. Listed below are the 'pH values' of some food and drinks. The lower the pH number, the more acidic the product. Anything with a pH value lower than 5.5 may cause erosion. 'Alkalis' have a high pH number and cancel out the acid effects of sugars. pH 7 is the middle figure between acid and alkali.​

  • mineral water (still) pH 7.6
  • milk pH 6.9
  • cheddar cheese pH 5.9
  • lager pH 4.4
  • orange juice pH 3.8
  • grapefruit pH 3.3
  • pickles pH 3.2
  • cola pH 2.5
  • red wine pH 2.5
  • vinegar pH 2.0
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Sad about the red wine.... :arghh:

Moderation in everything.....
 
Actually careful with the herbal teas - surprisingly some of those can be very acidic too!
 
Freema said:
Hey all yesterday I went to my dentist,and sitting there with mouth wide open he asked me of I had Bulimia or had a lot of stomach acid or drank a lot of juice or alike, I answered no to all of his questions , and asked if he thought that sugarfree gum could be the problem , NO he answered ... hmm then I remembered that I didn´t use to drink a lot of pepsi max before my diabetes, and then the reason for my tooth decay was found...
so well these diet drinks the sugarfree kinds can be maybe even worse when it comes to acid than the sugary ones... I am quite shocked actually that 3 month of pepsi max can make such a difference... so from now on I´ll mix the pepsi max with half water , and change to drinking a lot more herbal tea instead... don´t want to miss my teeth that soon... it showed on the backside of my teeth.. not on the front , so hard to detect if not really excamining ones teeth with a mirror..

maybe this warning is in the wrong place so I am okay if it is put in another tread. But cheers my dears but not in pepsi max...:)
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The diet softdrinks can do as much damage as regular softdrinks, as the trick the body into believing it is sugar. It can raise blood glucose levels and interfer with insulin. You should limit the amount you have to approximately 300mls or less per day.
 
leslie10152 said:
The diet softdrinks can do as much damage as regular softdrinks, as the trick the body into believing it is sugar. It can raise blood glucose levels and interfer with insulin. You should limit the amount you have to approximately 300mls or less per day.
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well I have read that other places too, but I have never experienced that my blood glucose went upwards when I drank the diet drink
 
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Freema said:
well I have red that other places too, but I have never experienced that my blood glucose went upwards when I drank the diet drink
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I've had this happen a number of times, this is why I limit the amount I have as much as possible.
 
maybe if one mix a little water in the red wine it will help a lot making it less acidic
 
So champagne is off the menu. Ha ha
I stir my diet lemonade and also allow it to stand for a while before consuming. My dentist last week mentioned my gums because of meds and I enquired about whitening due to too many antibiotics as a child has discoloured mine.

Water with squeezed lemon can be corrosive too. Citrus fruits damage enamel. Too many bananas due to sugar.
 
I read up on the info in these posts. I’m still not convinced that artificial sweeteners have anything to do with tooth decay.

This link is an example. This study was carried out on fizzy diet drinks NOT on the artificial sweetener itself. It looks like the main culprits in this case are citric acid and phosphoric acid which lowers Ph and weakens the enamel.

https://www.carefreedental.com/resources/17-nutrition/93-the-sour-truth-behind-artificial-sweeteners

Sometimes what seems to be a dodgy ingredient can be guilty just by association with something else.
 
rmz80 said:
I read up on the info in these posts. I’m still not convinced that artificial sweeteners have anything to do with tooth decay.

This link is an example. This study was carried out on fizzy diet drinks NOT on the artificial sweetener itself. It looks like the main culprits in this case are citric acid and phosphoric acid which lowers Ph and weakens the enamel.

https://www.carefreedental.com/resources/17-nutrition/93-the-sour-truth-behind-artificial-sweeteners

Sometimes what seems to be a dodgy ingredient can be guilty just by association with something else.
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Perhaps look into artificial sweeteners and their affect on the gut biome.
 
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