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A Mince Pie Conundrum

How about a hot mince pie with oppo ice cream. Recently discovered this ice cream at my local asda for £3.00, cheaper than Holland and Barrett's.

As for Christmas, after the year I have had I intend to enjoy myself and have a 3 day break from usual diet (possibly maybe, not sure I will manage). Then back to Lchf. X
 
AdamJames said:
I used to hate mince pies. As far as I was concerned they were tombs full of dead flies.
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I think we should have a 'Best Post of the Month thread'
And this should be the Best Post for December 2017

I will forever treasure this image of mince pies
(having been brought up in a household where Garibaldi biscuits were known as Squashed Fly Biscuits, I am used to eating flies)
 

Haha! What's my prize? And would everyone else mind not posting anything till the end of December to ensure I still win it?

I remember Garibaldis! My dad used to love those. And Eccles cakes. I avoided all such things back then, but now that I've found an appetite for flies I might revisit them!
 
Brunneria said:
I will forever treasure this image of mince pies
(having been brought up in a household where Garibaldi biscuits were known as Squashed Fly Biscuits, I am used to eating flies)
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Are you telling me that Squashed Fly Biscuits are not universally known as Squashed Fly Biscuits? How have I grown up not knowing this?!
 
I as one who inadvertently ate a piece of cake with a squashed fly attached this was when I was a young whipper snapper can assure you that non of the above mentioned food items come even close.
 
JohnEGreen said:
I as one who inadvertently ate a piece of cake with a squashed fly attached this was when I was a young whipper snapper can assure you that non of the above mentioned food items come even close.
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Haha! That reads like a recommendation
 
I've had a genuine mince-pie conundrum today.

Four months ago I was having to limit any carb-heavy foods to less than 10 grams to avoid very high bgs. Back then I'd also noticed I could compensate for overdoing the carbs, within reason, by going on walks straight afterwards.

Over the last few weeks the post-food exercise effect seems to have been getting even better.

Over the last few days I've been recklessly overdoing the carbs and calorie counts, getting up to around 4,000 a day with 300g carbs. Compare that to some days 4 months ago where I was having 20g of carbs and 900 calories a day.

Yesterday I didn't have any exercise to compensate for the carbs.

This morning I woke up with a bg of 7.1, which was high as expected - I can get it down to about 5 to 5.5 when I'm disciplined for the last month or so.

This morning, I decided I needed to get mince pies out of the house as I had become addicted. Naturally I did that by eating the last box. I ate 4, then did less than an hour of sawing wood, really not that huge amount of exercise as most of it was standing around working out which bits to saw next. Then I ate another 2. About an hour after that I thought what an idiot I've been - it's before lunch and I've already eaten about 250g of carbs, and mostly in 2 single sittings of very fast intake.

So I took a bg reading, expecting it to be well over 10, to teach myself a lesson. It was 6.6, at less than 2 hours after the last rapid intake of 80g of carbs.

I was stunned, and I'm thinking that either:

1) The 3 stone weight loss in 3 months, combined with making my body deal with lots of carbs over the last few days, has had an amazing effect on my ability to process carbs, provided I do a bit of exercise

or

2) Mince pies have become a magical food for me.

This really is a conundrum. I confidently expect I'll be back to my full-on diabetic self tomorrow and be frustrated that I can never repeat the results again, but it's a remarkable thing to have just experienced and given me the encouragement to carry on with this weight loss. And climb back down from 4,000 calories a day of course, and reduce carbs again, for a time, as I've definitely been heading in the wrong direction for a few days, though the exercise has stopped me gaining weight - I appear to be on a plateau.
 
Bearing in mind the fat content of any pastry based food, any rise could be a bit slow or delayed. Have you continued to test beyond your usual 2 hours (or whatever)?

You may have got very lucky and find you really are an examples of a metabolic body clock reset, but one day of extraordinary events, actions and consumption isn't the best way to drraw too many conclusions.

Fingers crossed for you.
 

My thinking exactly, and today has been the most haphazard day for measurements. timings and logging food intake, as it all went wrong this morning when I found that a tree had fallen on my car. So not a regular day!

Since that post, I have consumed another ~15 grams of carbs, mainly from raisins and some from nuts. Again, the timings haven't been logged accurately, but for exactly the reasons you suggest I thought - is my bg still climbing from the mice pies earlier?

Very roughly "an hour" after having had the extra 15 grams of carbs - a high amount for me a few months ago - I took another measurement and got 7.6. This is still a very good reading by my usual standards.

I'm going to take another reading roughly an hour after that one as well to see which way things are going.

Tomorrow when I'm back in a normal routine I'll investigate properly. I'll start the morning with a 34g carb tolerance test I've been using as a marker for a while. Now that my body is expecting to be assaulted by carbs, I'm really interested to see what it will make of it!
 
Haha! I always read my own posts after I write them to check for silly things I've done wrong, and just realised a brilliant typo: "mice pies".

I'm not going back to edit it! Thoughts of pies full of dead flies and mice are just what I need to ween myself of them!
 
DCUKMod said:
Have you continued to test beyond your usual 2 hours (or whatever)?
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I've just got a 7.2, down from 7.6, after those further carbs.

My meter isn't accurate enough to say for certain, but I'm going to guess that my bg isn't climbing.

I rarely take just-before-bed readings but I think I will tonight, then in the morning I'll do a carb tolerance test, where I take 3 fasting readings and average them, then a very carefully weighed amount of the same foods I always use, then take 3 readings two hours later. If I ever get to the stage of a 75g glucose test, I'll be taking one reading every 20 minutes or so to get a feel for the shape of the curve to compare it to "normal". I suspect that's a long way off, if I ever get there at all.
 
It is just as well that my Mum will not read this post because her mince pies are a standard that are hard to beat, but these ones are truly awesome. Thin, melt in the mouth pastry, flavoursome and slightly boozy filling just right for a winter evening or a dessert that is followed by a brisk walk and guess what.... more mince pies! One made by a different person for good luck each month during the New Year - there are just 6 people making the pies at this company so I will need to find 6 more people making equally awesome pies! Lots of testing required, and not the carb tolerance kind.
 
mince pies ---------- In a word --------- NO

just my opinion !!!!!!!!
 
Do you think your mother would be willing to send me a couple of mince pies? After reading your post I do not want just any old mince pie to mess with my sugars and be my first mince pie, but I want your mothers! They sound just wonderful, the way you describe it! Do they keep for a few days until they arrive here or will they go stale? Can I revive them in the oven?
 
You are entitled to have your opinion, some of us can dream and view food porn at our own risk.

Seriously it is hard to say 'no' to all the treats around at this time of the year, particularly when the weather has been so grim for the last couple of days. For some a mince pie will do less harm than a full Christmas meal. Others have never liked mince pies and are not tempted. Some, with missionary zeal, would condemn anyone who thinks of looking at a mince pie. It is what makes this forum great, all views are welcome
 
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I've just, for political reasons, clicked 'agree' under some recent posts, both those strongly against diabetics eating this sort of food and those in favour within reason.

I do agree with both, and I think both; that's the problem with being human, you can intellectually know for sure that you shouldn't be doing something, but also think that you may get away with it occasionally and it makes the experience of being human more enjoyable while you're doing it.

For me the problem, as so many people on this forum have realised, is that nice-tasting food that's high in carbs seems to be much more addictive than nice tasting LCHF food. I've been on a mince pie bender for 3-4 days now. I have lost 3 stone in 3 months and the overall picture in that time is that my calorie intake, carb intake and exercise levels are all in a radically better place than they were just a few months ago. In 3 months I've had a few lapses of discipline and I always will.

The most guaranteed way for any lapse of discipline to last for more than a day for me seems to be the combination of eating nice-tasting carbs, plus having more of those nice-tasting carbs in the house and easily accessible.

While, as I've posted earlier, I had a surprising result yesterday and found that in spite of about 250g of carbs from mince pies, all it took was about an hour of exercise and my postprandial 2hr readings were surprisingly "okay", the fact is that I've been waking up in the mornings over the last few days with bgs at about 7, instead of around 5 which I'd been managing to achieve before the mince pie fest.

So they have had a measurably negative effect on my overall goals. And they were delicious.
 
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