a PLOT ????

[Checks calender for April 1st]

At the risk of taking this completely off topic: what exactly is the 'Rest and Fluids' industry? Where do they make their money? If your doctor tells you to rest and drink plenty of fluids, where is the vested interest for this 'Rest and Fluids' industry?

IanS

The 'Onion' is a satirical paper Ian, definitely not to be taken seriously !

It's definitely a plot. Doctors are rubbish.

Bit of a sweeping generalisation that Patch. Like all callings and professions there are good ones and bad ones.

sugarless sue said:

The 'Onion' is a satirical paper Ian, definitely not to be taken seriously !

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OK. I'll have to give you that one.

IanS

sugarlesssue said:

Bit of a sweeping generalisation that Patch. Like all callings and professions there are good ones and bad ones.

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Okay - the NHS produces rubbish doctors.

Any that continue their learning AFTER they've become qualified MAY turn into good/better Doctors...

Many of these so called 'rubbish' doctors do indeed go on to be life saving ,innovative doctors,Patch. I'm sure the many members who have had life saving operations or treatments may disagree with your statements.
As I said before, there are good doctors and bad doctors and nurses. They all get the same training.
What is different ? The personalities, traits and individuality of the person.

Rubbish Doctor's. What a load of 'tosh !' Just because you have perhaps had a bad experience with one - they are ALL bad. Drivel !! I've met GP's who are rubbish, but I know they are individuals. Just like you and me Pat. We all are good at something in life, some of us aren't. Does that mean we are all failures ?

I can take you to meet many dedicated, efficient Dr's at my local Surgery, my local Hospital, my local Diabetic Clinic. Dr's who saved my life when I needed major heart surgery some years ago. Dr's in my local A & E who work long hours and are saving peoples lives every single day and night, while you and I are sleeping soundly in our beds. All dedicated and professional.

As Sue stated, there are good and bad everywhere. To say that the NHS produces rubbish Dr's. That is a slur on the many who are good. They far outweigh the bad and Diabetes isn't the only thing that Dr's deal with. Without the production line that the NHS provides we would be struggling for Dr's in all disciplines.

I won't defend a bad Dr wherever he/she is, but I won't stand back and see a majority unfairly criticised either.

I dont think that a limited (undefined) number of "bad" doctors in the NHS is the issue. In my career (currently on hold due to administration!), I have seen many colleagues albeit a small proportion who have been managed out by various processes as they were not performing at the required level for whatever reasons. The reason that a number of under performing doctors remain in situ, is due to the lack of meaningful performance reviews and assessment of a 1-2-1 nature.

(IMHO)

I have met brilliant doctors who have saved lives and others as high as consultants who I would not use their services under any circumstances.

Regards Steve.

Mine was a throw away statement. Don't let's pick it up and nurture it into a full blown argument. :roll:

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Mine was a throw away statement. Don't let's pick it up and nurture it into a full blown argument. :roll:

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That's just it Patch, 'throwaway remarks' cause a reaction. I mean, this is the 'Discussion' area.
Think about it. :roll:

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The issues of no strips is simply because the governments do not want to waste money on strips when theyneed that money for other more imporatnat illnesses. Unfortunately T1's do have to test, because if they don't they could be flat on their backs every five minutes or worse. However with us T2's they can get away with saying 'You don't need to test' or 'it's not valid in T"'s because HBA1C's are more valid' etc etc..

No there is no plot. There are just a lot of very tired and misguided Dr's who think they know tons about Diabetes but really have too much on their plates to deeply understand that even we as Diabetics are all very different from eachother. It's umberella's I hate! Stick us all under one umberella and they can say what they like. It's all about money..like everything else in this world..money cut backs .. and at the enth degree various types of corruption.. who'c pockets will be linned with extra money for passing this bill or rejecting that cause..

You have to inform yourself nowadays.. you cannot sit back and allow someone else to have control of your life or even health, because putting your health in someone elses's hands un questioningly is simply a recipie for disasster. Plus we are always asking for pills for this and quick fixes for that, and expecting the poor Dr to solve everything in a ten minute appointment and be able to look deep within us like some sort of all seeing all memorising robot, then analyse the input and come out with a definate and fast solution to all maladies.

Well.. it ain't like that! It ain't by any means. You have to protect yourself and inform yourself and determin to be as healthy as you can be within your disease and limitations and study your illnesses and disease so you can dig out what YOU think works.. then go with this as an informed and responsible patient.. then they look at you in a whole different way. Less as a number than as a human being. This who care and are trying hard will get psotive feedback. Those who are in the 'don't want to know 'category will not do well.

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It's harsh but true that you have to care for yourself and about yourself to get any Dr to really 'see' you as a human being ..rather than a number.

I have been Diabetic now for about 5 years. My last HBA1C was messed up so I have to go back.. but since the forst (on diagnosis) that was *18*, I have gone from (after medication with Metformin x3 a day) to HBA1C of 5.7, 5.6, 5.2, 4.7, 4.4, to last valid test of 4.2.

I don't have the numbers but my cholesterol is within the regulated lvls for Diabetics and I don't take statins because I I don't want to. I am overweight and struggling at 74kilos, but am determined to loose weight.

My attitude to Dr's and diets is.. I listen to what I know is healthy.. and it's so totally obvious that too many carbs is for Diabetics NOT good. Everything we eat converts to or is carbs..and therefor we have to learn control or our bodies will let us know we aren't trying hard enough. For me when I have too much sugar/carbs moment to moment I get neuropathy pains.. or if it's a regular binging session, I get fuzzy vision and low/bad concentration.

will have to come bqack and finish this..

love to all my fellow diabetics..

As a T2, I have never been referred to a hospital diabetes unit, which I am told your GP is supposed to do. I have never been advised that I can see a chiropodist twice a year, and have had three consultations with the surgery nurse in two years.

In 22 months, I have not dramatically changed my diet, nor have I been successful in reducing my weight. I was on Gliclazide for about 2 or 3 months (in early-2008) and I used to wake up each night between 3:00 & 4:00 to find my BG level at around 3.0 to 3.4. Since then, I have been on 500mg of Metformin twice daily.

What I have insisted on is the ability to test my blood for BG levels -- my HbA1C has come down from 9.9 to 6.1. I have been advised by my Diabetes Nurse not to go below 6.0!

Am I diabetic or am I just another source of income for my GP?

If your HBA was above 7, you are diabetic, whatever control level you have achieved now.

You've done well, but you can't relax & abandon whatever you are doing to get your BS down.

defo something wrong with the system you collapse in a hallucinating heap only to awaken in hospital and after having your type 2 overlooked and being lost on the computer for 5 years they say your def type 1 and that they'll keep a close eye on you because your 30 and thats a hard age?? you get discharged and told "we'll call everyday for the next few weeks" only for the phone to ring once after 2 weeks at home and for the diabetic clinic to tell you "we have no record of you" Aaaah good times

Hmm.
My last endo appt said 5.3 hba1c was perfect, and he wishes his patients were like me

My one before said 5.1 was too low, Id lose hypo awareness and it doesnt tell the whole story anyway and that Id burn out

One before said carry on as you are

Ive had a DNS tell me to eat a selection box of Christmas day, if I want

Another DNS says spikes of 10 are ok as non diabetics get this and my 'problem' is that I want to see non diabetic numbers (em well, yes, at least BEFORE I eat). Same one says to eat whatever I want and that I am very strict (for that read mentally ill with OCD and too strict with no quality of life :lol: )

My own GP says my 'prob' is that I think everyone is well controlled and protactive but not one of the above people see the part they play in the lives of the people who are not. THere is a plot, but they've lost it!

Lilibet you are doing very well. In some ways many are right, but that 'right' depends on you as an individual. I can't get my bloods in the morning below 7.4-7.8. But... I have an HBA1C of 4.2.

You can eat candy at Xmas if you are a T2, but you have to go for a long walk to at least help lower your immediate sugar spike. You can be bad sometimes. I eat more or less what I like for one day at weekends (though nowadays I really want to loose some weight) so I try and moderate even that a bit).

Bad Dr's NHS-Good Dr's Private...Bad Dr's/Good Dr's..nope.. there are loads of overworked Dr's who would be very good and attentive. There are some terrible private Dr's, who will do anything to make a buck. However Those Dr's are mostly also working within the NHS (as well as the small part of private work they can get). There are many good Dr's around.

It's a hell of a hard job to be a Dr anyways and very easy to be on the outside complaining. I would hate to be a Dr. As has already been said..Diabetics are not the only ones with a 'cause'. Epileptics, heart attack patients and many other very specific and non specific disease patients will be digging into their medics and demanding all sorts, as per their rights as a patient.

The government decided to cut back on the use of testing for T2..not the Dr's. Being a Dr is one of THE most stressful jobs there is and many get ill and drink too much and become addicts themselves because they loose control and cannot cope with the weight of responsability.

If we don't like our Dr, we should have the right to change to another. Hopfully we can find someone who will respect us enough to care and really encourage us to try. Be pro active with your self and read and take note of your body. Learn what is right for others through books and see what you agree with yourself. Try things out.. see if they work.. listen to your body.