........aaaaand another one!

Messages
20
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
I was diagnosed just a few weeks ago and already I hate it all. The only option is to radically change in diet and lifestyle in the hope I can get into remission and stay there. I have been on a low-carb diet, I can cope with that.

The doctor thinks I have Haemochromatosis and will be getting it confirmed with a genetic test. There are a bunch of other symptoms to deal with including liver disease and EDl Not happy.
 

Jim_AFCB

Active Member
Messages
27
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
3 Months after diagnosis....

Blood test yesterday and I'm quite pleased with the results.

A1c down to 39 (from 63 in October). Libre app (estimated a1c 39) and Shuggah apps (estimate 37) were actually pretty spot on.

I have found my pre-meal BG has come down from the 7s in December to the 5s occasionally 6s now.

Was worried about cholesterol as it was in the 5s in October, and I've eaten more fatty foods (cream with breakfast fruits, more eggs, bacon, dairy foods then previously, but it's down to 3.1, so that's a result. I expect the addition of bempedoic acid medication has helped.

Having been 90 kilos in early December when the dietary big bang occurred, I'm now down to 81.5, kilos. Walking 3 miles most days has helped, though I've had to curtail that this week due to poor weather and a very painful flare-up of my arthritic knee.

So how have I done it?

Cutting out most carbs, obviously. Also cutting out ready meals and most other processed foods.
Initially blood strip testing to identify what was causing high BG levels, and cutting those foods out. For the last 3 weeks I've also been using a CGM, which helps give me a better idea of where my BG is generally. It's also helping me find out what works and what doesn't.

I'm tempted to carry on with the CGM for a while longer, it's quite motivating and I know I can't get away with spikes, a bit concerned about "out of sight, out of mind" and I want to keep myself honest. We shall see.

...so what did and didn't work?

Initially, after the first few days of testing with my "old normal" diet, and finding out what gave me high BG, I cut out almost all carbs (cereal, potatoes, bread, rice, biscuits, crisps and other such ****), after about 3 weeks I began to experiment a little...

A few (~180-200g) potatoes is fine if accompanied with plenty of protein.. Xmas dinner didn't spike me (which initially surprised me) and steak and chips is also fine. Some roasties with casserole was not good though (spiked over 12), came to the conclusion that there wasn't enough protein in the casserole.
Eating out is a bit of a minefield, last time we went out there was no steak or fish on the menu, so pie, mash and peas it was. Up went the BG to about 12, so I won't be pushing my luck with that again!

The HiLo bread from Sainsburys is ok, doesn't taste too bad and does a good job of filling me up. The High Protein rolls at Lidl are very nice and don't give me any problems... so that's giving me the confidence to try one of the freshly baked "high fibre" loaves at Tesco this evening.. waiting to see how that goes. Unfortunately a lot of bread products in the freshly baked areas don't give enough nutrition info....


As for the longer term... is it now going to be a case of keeping that BG religiously below 8 to 8.5, or is it ok if you have a brief spike once a week or so by giving yourself a treat or by eating out where it is often harder to keep off the carbs? Are the spikes ok, if your A1c stays low otherwise?

Obviously everyone is different and your mileage may vary.. but I hope the above gives some confidence to those out there newly diagnosed that it may not be the steep uphill struggle that they think it is.
 

aylalake

Well-Known Member
Messages
716
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
Being told “Oh go on, one won’t hurt you!”.
Conversely, the food police.
3 Months after diagnosis....

Blood test yesterday and I'm quite pleased with the results.

A1c down to 39 (from 63 in October). Libre app (estimated a1c 39) and Shuggah apps (estimate 37) were actually pretty spot on.

I have found my pre-meal BG has come down from the 7s in December to the 5s occasionally 6s now.

Was worried about cholesterol as it was in the 5s in October, and I've eaten more fatty foods (cream with breakfast fruits, more eggs, bacon, dairy foods then previously, but it's down to 3.1, so that's a result. I expect the addition of bempedoic acid medication has helped.

Having been 90 kilos in early December when the dietary big bang occurred, I'm now down to 81.5, kilos. Walking 3 miles most days has helped, though I've had to curtail that this week due to poor weather and a very painful flare-up of my arthritic knee.

So how have I done it?

Cutting out most carbs, obviously. Also cutting out ready meals and most other processed foods.
Initially blood strip testing to identify what was causing high BG levels, and cutting those foods out. For the last 3 weeks I've also been using a CGM, which helps give me a better idea of where my BG is generally. It's also helping me find out what works and what doesn't.

I'm tempted to carry on with the CGM for a while longer, it's quite motivating and I know I can't get away with spikes, a bit concerned about "out of sight, out of mind" and I want to keep myself honest. We shall see.

...so what did and didn't work?

Initially, after the first few days of testing with my "old normal" diet, and finding out what gave me high BG, I cut out almost all carbs (cereal, potatoes, bread, rice, biscuits, crisps and other such ****), after about 3 weeks I began to experiment a little...

A few (~180-200g) potatoes is fine if accompanied with plenty of protein.. Xmas dinner didn't spike me (which initially surprised me) and steak and chips is also fine. Some roasties with casserole was not good though (spiked over 12), came to the conclusion that there wasn't enough protein in the casserole.
Eating out is a bit of a minefield, last time we went out there was no steak or fish on the menu, so pie, mash and peas it was. Up went the BG to about 12, so I won't be pushing my luck with that again!

The HiLo bread from Sainsburys is ok, doesn't taste too bad and does a good job of filling me up. The High Protein rolls at Lidl are very nice and don't give me any problems... so that's giving me the confidence to try one of the freshly baked "high fibre" loaves at Tesco this evening.. waiting to see how that goes. Unfortunately a lot of bread products in the freshly baked areas don't give enough nutrition info....


As for the longer term... is it now going to be a case of keeping that BG religiously below 8 to 8.5, or is it ok if you have a brief spike once a week or so by giving yourself a treat or by eating out where it is often harder to keep off the carbs? Are the spikes ok, if your A1c stays low otherwise?

Obviously everyone is different and your mileage may vary.. but I hope the above gives some confidence to those out there newly diagnosed that it may not be the steep uphill struggle that they think it is.
Well done on great results, and thank you for sharing how you did it. Most helpful.
 
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Reddog

Member
Messages
23
Type of diabetes
Type 2
3 Months after diagnosis....

Blood test yesterday and I'm quite pleased with the results.

A1c down to 39 (from 63 in October). Libre app (estimated a1c 39) and Shuggah apps (estimate 37) were actually pretty spot on.

I have found my pre-meal BG has come down from the 7s in December to the 5s occasionally 6s now.

Was worried about cholesterol as it was in the 5s in October, and I've eaten more fatty foods (cream with breakfast fruits, more eggs, bacon, dairy foods then previously, but it's down to 3.1, so that's a result. I expect the addition of bempedoic acid medication has helped.

Having been 90 kilos in early December when the dietary big bang occurred, I'm now down to 81.5, kilos. Walking 3 miles most days has helped, though I've had to curtail that this week due to poor weather and a very painful flare-up of my arthritic knee.

So how have I done it?

Cutting out most carbs, obviously. Also cutting out ready meals and most other processed foods.
Initially blood strip testing to identify what was causing high BG levels, and cutting those foods out. For the last 3 weeks I've also been using a CGM, which helps give me a better idea of where my BG is generally. It's also helping me find out what works and what doesn't.

I'm tempted to carry on with the CGM for a while longer, it's quite motivating and I know I can't get away with spikes, a bit concerned about "out of sight, out of mind" and I want to keep myself honest. We shall see.

...so what did and didn't work?

Initially, after the first few days of testing with my "old normal" diet, and finding out what gave me high BG, I cut out almost all carbs (cereal, potatoes, bread, rice, biscuits, crisps and other such ****), after about 3 weeks I began to experiment a little...

A few (~180-200g) potatoes is fine if accompanied with plenty of protein.. Xmas dinner didn't spike me (which initially surprised me) and steak and chips is also fine. Some roasties with casserole was not good though (spiked over 12), came to the conclusion that there wasn't enough protein in the casserole.
Eating out is a bit of a minefield, last time we went out there was no steak or fish on the menu, so pie, mash and peas it was. Up went the BG to about 12, so I won't be pushing my luck with that again!

The HiLo bread from Sainsburys is ok, doesn't taste too bad and does a good job of filling me up. The High Protein rolls at Lidl are very nice and don't give me any problems... so that's giving me the confidence to try one of the freshly baked "high fibre" loaves at Tesco this evening.. waiting to see how that goes. Unfortunately a lot of bread products in the freshly baked areas don't give enough nutrition info....


As for the longer term... is it now going to be a case of keeping that BG religiously below 8 to 8.5, or is it ok if you have a brief spike once a week or so by giving yourself a treat or by eating out where it is often harder to keep off the carbs? Are the spikes ok, if your A1c stays low otherwise?

Obviously everyone is different and your mileage may vary.. but I hope the above gives some confidence to those out there newly diagnosed that it may not be the steep uphill struggle that they think it is.
Well done Jim, I've just read your journey from start to finish & feel inspired by your results, now about to start my own journey!!
 
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shelley262

Expert
Messages
5,490
Type of diabetes
I reversed my Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
Thank you!

I had my followup with the diabetic (well... not diabetic) nurse yesterday - she had to double and triple check I was not on any treatment and that I really had done it by diet!
Well done what inspiring results. It's funny to see the double take isn't it. I well remember the puzzled looks and the "well the metformin must have really worked" then double puzzlement when I explained I wasn't taking metformin or any meds just diet!
 

Jim_AFCB

Active Member
Messages
27
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
a bump (hopefully to inspire recent joiners) and a little update.

About 15 months in.. last A1C was 40, and I'm sticking to the diet to keep that down.

To keep me honest, I continue to self-fund a CGM.. have switched to the Dexcom 1+ as it provides better value for money (about £2.30 per day) than the Libre Freestyle, and I get readings on my watch. I probably don't *need* to monitor, but I am much less likely to go off the rails if I do so.
It also helps me try some different foods so I can vary things a bit more. Steak and chips tends to raise my BG more than I would like, but a half-chicken and chips from Chicken and Blues (small local chain with chips to die for) barely moves the needle...

I wondered in the past what would happen with my weight. I started at 90kg, lost 10kg in 2 months before a more gradual drop, now around 73kg which is the lightest I've been in probably 18-20 years.

For new joiners / recently diagnosed, i hope my account in this thread will give hope and inspiration.
 

MrsA2

Expert
Messages
6,655
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
a bump (hopefully to inspire recent joiners) and a little update.

About 15 months in.. last A1C was 40, and I'm sticking to the diet to keep that down.

To keep me honest, I continue to self-fund a CGM.. have switched to the Dexcom 1+ as it provides better value for money (about £2.30 per day) than the Libre Freestyle, and I get readings on my watch. I probably don't *need* to monitor, but I am much less likely to go off the rails if I do so.
It also helps me try some different foods so I can vary things a bit more. Steak and chips tends to raise my BG more than I would like, but a half-chicken and chips from Chicken and Blues (small local chain with chips to die for) barely moves the needle...

I wondered in the past what would happen with my weight. I started at 90kg, lost 10kg in 2 months before a more gradual drop, now around 73kg which is the lightest I've been in probably 18-20 years.

For new joiners / recently diagnosed, i hope my account in this thread will give hope and inspiration.
Just out of curiosity, could you find out what both servings of chips were fried in.? Ie the oil or fat used.
Of course there are many possible reasons for the variations, exercise, alcohol, medication etc but I d be interested
 

IanBish

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,061
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
...but a half-chicken and chips from Chicken and Blues (small local chain with chips to die for) barely moves the needle...
Was there vinegar on the chips? Apparently that helps.
 

Jim_AFCB

Active Member
Messages
27
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
Was there vinegar on the chips? Apparently that helps.
Good grief no !!!
Vinegar on chips is truly disgusting!

I assume they're cooked in vegetable oil - I'll ask them next time I am there.
 

Dancing Badger

Well-Known Member
Messages
83
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
It's all down to how we taste food as individuals, isn't it? I put vinegar on vegetables and chips; have done since childhood.
 

Outlier

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,055
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
I use cider vinegar a lot. Good for my bloods and anyway I like it. As said above, an individual thing.
 

Chris24Main

Moderator
Staff Member
Moderator
Messages
992
Type of diabetes
I reversed my Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
As much as I dislike the idea of vinegar on chips - it really does help - for the same reason ACV works - it inhibits the enzymes in the mouth that would otherwise turn the starch in the chips into sugar, so overall it slows down the digestion of sugar. Of course, not as effective as avoiding the chips in the first place...

Really encouraging story @Jim_AFCB - excellent to hear people's stories in that "post one year" phase, after you get out of the "super-motivated" mindset and settle in for the long term. Great work!!
 
Messages
2
Type of diabetes
Family member
Treatment type
I do not have diabetes
Hello all,

Newly diagnosed as of about a month ago. HBA1C is, I think, 62. Thats the number i was given, assume it's related to that (HBA1C). I understand that's marginal-ish, so I'm only just diabetic, but it certainly needs to be managed.

Have been treated for high chlorestorol for some 25 years, and high BP for not quite as long. I recently have been given further treatment and BP is now more sensible, 120s/80s rather than 100-and-stupid/100-and-sod-off.

Saw the Diabetic nurse (I assume that means she is a specialist in treating diabetes, rather then she is diabetic herself!), and we're going down the looking at diet route, which means closely monitoring carb intake. I've read up on what to look for WRT food labels, types of food etc. so I guess it is spreadsheet time.....

I am wondering whether it is worth self-monitoring blood suger levels for a bit to see what foods I tolerate or otherwise, to give me something of an idea of foods I can eat without spiking my blood suger too much, (as I know there are differences in the types of foods containing carbs and how quickly the body reacts.)

If I do, then presumably a device using a lancet to provide a drop to put on a litmus and place in a reader is the way to do it? - I have seen the watches one can wear that will measure glucose levels, but from reading reviews, they appear to be as useful as Sooty and Sweep without hands up their backsides..... Have also seen other monitors involving a patch, but looks like thats an expensive way to do it. More reading required...
I’d say yes, self-monitoring for a bit really helps, especially early on. I did the same when I was newly diagnosed—it gave me a clearer picture of how different foods hit my blood sugar. A basic finger-prick meter (lancet and strips) works fine and is a solid starting point. The CGM patches are great but yeah, they can be pricey if you’re paying out of pocket.